Uk To Make Dotty Old Man King In Bizarre Got/lotr Style Ceremony. Yes, It’s The Coronation.

I thought the bit imploring him to live forever was a bit much though...

 

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1654520008699936768

 

Fair comments. Personally I feel it is literally a drop in the ocean compared to furlough and benefits schemes. If you took everything away that could otherwise be spent on health care or public wages, the country would be a pretty souless place I suspect, where our sense of purpose and pride ebbs away completely. And the impact on the worthy causes would be virtually zero.

I think it is all a bit silly. But I quite enjoyed it (cerainly many times more than any license fee produced entertainment I have seen in a decade) along with millions of others who seem to have taken great pride in it; the majority I suspect. I think the whingeing and desperate for clicks news broadcasting is far worse a thing to have to endure.

 

It was a state occasion of course it should be funded by the state

 

I’ve been hearing all my life how ‘the State can’t do everything’ for example fund social care properly.

If you want social care and you have above £23.5k you will be paying for it.

But if you are worth £1.8bn and you want a gold coach procession with massive arcane ceremony and Penny Mordaunt bizarrely channelling both GOT and Call the Midwife, the State pays.

 

You're right the state can't fund everything. It's a matter of priorities. Things would have to be at a pretty low ebb if we can't splash a few quid on a bit of a 'do' like yesterday once every 70 years to celebrate our proud history and culture. Anyway there was so much more to yesterday than Jug Ears getting the crown on his bonce. Surely the sight and sound of Pretty Yende was worth the expense of the day alone

 

Except for growing numbers this isn’t our party or our priority. Where’s the evidence that the Country wanted this do?

 

Terrible the mess young people leave behind at their festivals and parties.

Oh hang on, this was yesterday in London.

 

Absolutely fair argument. And I respectfully find myself dissagreeing only on the most important element, and that is, I think it is worthwhile, and though your suggestions can be considered a spectrum of possible cuts, I think on the whole this was a good thing for the country, and that a line was drawn appropriately.

The money spent on the coronation is a drop in the ocean compared to spending on NHS, benefits, furlough, etc., etc. The problem, to me, is not doing other things that help to define this country (reaffirming our history and heritage) and give us a sense of community, but the senseless waste and incompetence in the management of public spending, and the lack of any will to do something about it, other than throw more money at it.

In a nation of nearly 70,000,000, there are bound to be a good few who disagree. Fair enough.

 

Didn't you post some similar witty message when pictures were shown of veteran 'white supremacists' tidying up after a Brexit demonstration? Making them out to be mamby pamby goody two shoes.

Are you sure you want to compare Royal celebrations with the festivities of today's youth contingent?



All you are doing is showing how vacuous and hypocriticale modern day middle class lefties can be. Many thousands gathered together in London yesterday, all the trouble makers got arrested, and all that was left afterwards, was a picture of a bit of a mess, left by a peaceful crowd. Maybe the police can make note, that arresting trouble makers can have a positive effect on potentially violent occasions.

So desperate, but wholly expected.

 

Seen it all now. Comparing the cost-benefit of the entire National Health Service versus a single event.

Like saying that a meal at Nobu is cracking value on the basis that it's cheaper than an entire year's grocery shopping for 1,000 people.

Maybe Rishi was right and the average Brit needs to work on their basic maths skills.

 

I agree whole heartedly. You first I think.

 

Absolutely. The UK is a constitutional monarchy and, as a result, it's entirely appropriate for the government to fund it. If the monarchy was abolished, it would be appropriate for the state to pay for ceremonies surrounding whatever office replaces it, too. Do you think Joe Biden should have paid for the Inauguration Day ceremonies when he was sworn in, for example? He didn't, and he shouldn't have either.

It is worth noting that the parades etc. attached to the event are NOT paid for by the US taxpayer, however, so there is a dividing line. The cost to the US taxpayer is still about double what the UK taxpayer paid for the coronation, however, and it happens every 4 years.

There's no question that any country's ceremonies around their head of state should be state funded. Whether or not it could have and should have been more frugal is, of course, an entirely different question. I think it's entirely reasonable to argue that things could have been done on a far tighter budget and still kept tradition intact.

 

A sea of rubbish dumped by the Royal felchers after cheering and waving at Charlie W and his mrs prancing around in stolen jewels.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/07/roya...bandon-their-tents-after-coronation-18741269/

Somebody else's problem that now. Someone else can sort that out. I'm Off home to watch it all again on TV and see if I was on the telly.

 

In the latest representative Ipsos poll, remaining a monarchy had a 30% lead on us becoming a republic.

It’s very difficult to find a topic the UK public are more united on.

 

That’s not a poll on whether a £100m Coronation was required or even whether the archaic and frankly embarrassing pageantry should be a part of it.

Plenty of European States have modern monarchs who just get around on bicycles. But you won’t see the poll asking people which they prefer.

 

In the closing Q&A session for Neil Kinnock's, exceptionally candid, appearance on Matt Forde's 'Political Party' he want into a 10 min rant about how voicing his republican views were a "...complete waste of bloody time..." because no-one's interested.

 

I imagine a poll on whether the British Royal Family should be provided with bicycles for official state occasions or a gold plated carriage to give it a little pazzaz, would garner pretty similar numbers.

Pretty sure that some people actually believe, despite everything individuals say and think being in contradiction of their ideologies, that if they could only explain things properly, everyone would think like they do about things. I suspect, however, that such a confrontation would have the opposite effect in this case. Another great argument for freedom of speech.

 

Except for people under 25. Where the support for a monarchy is 31%. So a push for change is possibly coming. All these old ideas are gradually dying out.

 

Couldn't agree more . Gotta be the same entitled mob that leave all their **** at Glastonbury.
Glastos , Royalists and Travellers ...all cut from the same cloth it seems.

 

The monarchyis what we have got. It is a real anomally, and I don't blame people for thinking that something else would better reflect the modern world.

Thing is, I suspect it is a little bit like democracy. Not perfect by a long chalk, but better than every other option out there.

When people want it changed, it will be changed. But it shouldn't, in my opinion, be changed because a minority of people are butt hurt because the majority can cope with an imperfect world better than they can.

 

I can't believe the forum is complaining about having to tidy up after a party of unprecedented proportions. And I'll bet it is already cleared up, because the authorities would have known exactly what was going to happen. At least there is very little in the way of vandalisation, in the event of which I would be with you in criticising the b'stards.

Have you seen the state of the stands after a match day? I hope you are all taking your own rubbish home (Skyla, I do believe that you would!)

Talk about whinging for the sake of it. Let me know where you all sit and I'll come round and give you all a cuddle. Cheer you up.

 

Waiting for the update on that...

 

I am assuming you were there to protest to some extent (no problem with that, provided it was peaceful). Sorry if the TV footage shows you in your Union Jack waistecoat!

Was there much animosity towards protesters, and were the police being over officious? If you saw any push back on protesting that is. 58 arrests doesn't seem much, but whether that was because of a lack of protesters present, relative good will between opposing ranks or the police acting with relative restraint, I don't know. The only pictures I have seen seem to be entirely peaceful, and the only case of 'not my king' banner trampling was many hours after the thing had been discarded by the protesting party (disgraceful littering, should be taken to traitors gate), set up by the right wing press because they had nothing else.

 

Crikey. How many pints must he have drunk to do that much piss?

Reminds me of the gents at Plough Lane in the '88 quarter final. Two inches deep in the shallow end. Not the place for a skimpy pair of espadrils, I can vouch.

 

Young people have different opinions to adults?! Who would have thought that! Is there any research that shows if people change their views on lots of things as they mature?

 

It’ll be interesting to see what the popularity ratings say after this event. I reckon they’ll be remarkably static and many will realise the majority of the cost is security costs in the modern age, which is the price of business of having world leaders swarm to your country.

It’s also worth distinguishing between cost of the event and cost to the taxpayer. As after tv rights and boosts to tourism they won’t be the same thing.

I agree, but I would say that the Mail, express etc would have a field day with those photos if they were created by a lefty group (not that wanting a monarchy fits established left/ right wing distinctions).

 

There are lots of words that could describe the process of getting older and becoming more conservative. ‘Maturing’ isn’t one of them.

 

You may well be correct on the money, but I don’t think the Coronation has done much for pro-monarchy opinion. Bunting and flags seem thin on the ground.

 

People who are 18-25 are adults. The percentage of young people in favour of the monarchy has been falling over the past three decades and that corresponds with the number of people in their 30s and 40s now who are also not in favour of the monarchy. The trend shows that the monarchy's popularity is consistently falling rather than that people begin to support the monarchy as they get older.