OMG I can't believe you'd say that about Cheeky! That's gymgirl though, never any reasoned debate. DICTATOR! TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUMBUM, YOU LOSER! Sun don't shine out of it like YOU THINK IT DOES! Booooooooo! For what it's worth, I think some people have made fools of themselves having a goo at gymgirl in the manner they have done. Message boards are very frustrating places sometimes. Unlucky gymgirl.
Agreed. The fact is that although people may have taken it the wrong way somehow, her original point was correct. Cheers for the link, gymgirl.
To be honest guys, whilst it is amusing for a while reading the bickering amonst you all, this is actually a thread about a seriously ill young man who entertains his many fans week in week out just like the guys in our team. What you guys, and you know who you are, are doing is basically arguing over his death bed about trivialites when the whole main concern for forum users who log onto this thread is to express some sympathy in a public place, that they cant do else where. Of course abuse me if you want, I dont care, I just think you all are a bit insensitive and need to take the arguement elsewhere... God forbid, even open up another thread?
Fair point there mate. I just found it absurd how the opinions of some were being shot down by one person over a thoroughly unfortunate and terrible event. Nevertheless, this is the last you will hear from me over this difference in opinion and I don't want this thread to get closed so will get back on topic. Great to hear that he is breathing independently again and has had conversations with multiple people. Maybe he isn't out of the woods yet, but I wish you a full recovery Fabrice!
I hear you The sensitivity was lost with 'blow by blow' accounts. Why does there have to be such public outpourings? You mention 'deathbed'. He isn't dying. See what I am saying? I don't see the argument for a separate thread. It's contextual and the same conversations are replicated on other football forums. On that note (hard as it may be, and unless I get another shedful of childish abuse), I'll ditch it for now. (cue someone to have the last word... Bets, anyone?)
Anyway i see Bolton have said that there game with Blackburn will go ahead this weekend. Right decision all in all I think, you would reckon that the team will be pretty pumped up come the weekend.
I have noticed they are due to play at Spurs in the league alongside the cup game so that could be a tricky moment for them but then if Muamba is already talking to the manager he might be saying "play on" Could understand why tonight's game was called off...ok he seems on the right track now but that was uncertain on Sunday.
that seems to happen a lot really doesnt it, cup games and league games seemingly coinciding. Bolton probably far more concerned with the league game to be honest. agree that tonight the game was correctly postponed, although muamba appears to be improving its still an awful of disruption in the training room.
Yes - think we once played Arsenal twice in a row and beat them (away both times) which upset the locals and press.
One practical point to consider. What happened was very rare, but it DID happen. It looks as if it might turn out much better than was initially expected. However, suppose that had been Joe Blow on Sunday morning, playing for his pub team on the local Rec. Obviously - no chance of survival. So, should we just do nothing because this is so rare or should we require scans for all levels of the game? I'm really not arguing one way or the other but just genuinely asking the question.
I have heard and its been the case before that even with loads of tests and scans some heart defects cannot be detected...so sadly its just fate really. Afterall many footballers have died on the pitch in the professional game in recent years and I am sure they had the same sort of help as Muamba has?
The care he received was quite incredible. Listen to the two interviews from the doctors that treated him. Bolton club doctor Dr Jonathan Tobin and Spurs fan Dr Andrew Deaner, Consultant Cardiologist. A quite remarkable story. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17460781
I don't think anybody could survive with no heartbeat for 78 minutes so, presumably, during that 78 minutes blood was kept circulating by very competent CPR?
i think i read somewhere that muamba passed a heart scan with nothing against the normal at the end of the season. checking hearts at the professional level on a regular basis is reasonable, but really these things occur in such a transient manner that unless you have a defect a scan every couple of months is still unlikely to pick it up. there is no way it could be incorporated into lower levels of the game. tbh nothing is going to stop be playing, i love the game too much. its just one of those slight risks you have to take every now and again.
Isn't the problem to do with signals from the brain meaning the heart might stop working at any point, not the actual heart?
Yes, I've had tests for that here. The most thorough involves wearing a monitor (leads just like an ECG) for 24 hours. The chip on which it records is then analysed automatically by software that MIGHT pick up problems. But, as explained to MIGHT NOT. I'm told there is a new version available in UK but not yet here in Canada that records for a week. But whole thing is pretty uncomfortable and inconvenient to wear. Certainly a footballer in training couldn't wear it.
It's astonishing how much his condition has improved. The medics and doctors who've been with him every step of the way ought to be proud.
seconded. A mention for the spurs fan who's a cardiologist who came on the pitch to help out is a must also. respect to the fella.
Muamba News Watch Day 5 - Comparable News Headlines: Guardian - In effect, Muamba was dead say doctors BBC News - Muamba was 'dead' for 78 minutes Daily Mail - Pressure mounts on NHS as asylum seeker remains in hospital
Haha! I'm astonished that he has survived let alone making as progress as quick as has. It's a miracle.
Not a miracle, it is the result of centuries of HUMAN endeavour and the dedication and intelligence of the medical staff.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2931...t-be-learned-after-tragic-death-of-player-who Which shows the importance swift medical care is in the wake of a heart attack. It is unsurprising to anyone who has a knowledge of physics and biology that the heart which is an inherently chaotic system can in certain circumstances move to catastrophic failure or reinforcement. No number of electrocardiographs, familial history checks or step tests can detect very fine changes in the heart structure or potential defects in the calcium channel isoforms that exist within cardiac myocytes.
The Guardian has an excellent report http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/mar/25/muamba-collapse-minute-by-minute
