Exit Poll & result discussion

The two parties could not work together moving forwards , in any area

 

Just about sums up the entire situation that one of the Cheeky Girls is being quoted on the Election News Update roll.

 

Agree. Which is why we will have another election.

 

It looks like they might have to. What would happen if neither of the party's can get the required number of seats through coalitions? From Nick Cleggs point of view surely it wouldn't make sense for him to side with the least popular of the two main partys as it would effect his popularity amongst the majority of voters

 

You can't seriously compare BNP and UKIP surely Moog. BNP are far far more extreme...

 

I read that as one set of nazies beat another set of nazies and felt it was a little over the top. I mean they're fascist really.

 

Yeah. It would have been much, much better if everyone completely forgot about the economy, the fact that the Lib Dems are about as geared for government as the Boy Scouts and instead based their choice of government on the fact that Cleggy came across very nicely in a 1.5 hour TV debate.

 

The BNP are yes. UKIP aren't.

 

No one `has` to do any sort of coalition , there is the option of another election

And i dont think you understand Cleggs responsibilitys to his own party , fundamentally they cant work with the Torys

 

To be honest - I haven't a clue about what they are. I was only trying to be funny... Seems I failed as usual.

 

I'm sorry Chrisvad.

 

It's ok, I think Denmark is laughable.

 

:biggrin:

 

Admittedly i'm not the most clued up on the whole thing but from what he Clegg said when interviewed he seemed to suggest he would be willing to negotiate with the Tory's, oh well, will just have to wait and see i suppose.

 

Coming from Sweden going anywhere else must bring a smile to your face...

 

Meow!

 

You've got a very good point. I do feel however, that one of Clegg's primary responsibilities to his party is to use their position to get the election laws changed - anything else I feel they are willing to use as collateral to that end because if they fail at that - they will never have a chance at power.

 

I think one thing to come out of this is that whatever happens we need to reform our voting procedures - get rid of this archaic convention where general elections take place on Thursdays and move them to two-day weekend affairs like on the continent. Then obviously we need to get rid of FPTP though I'm open to persuasion on what system should replace it. I think it might be time for a written constitution as well to make situations like this morning's shambles clearer but I'd say that's a little way off.

 

I think there is a lot to be said for STV. No wasted votes, in a sense.

I don't see the point in a written constitution either, it is not more set in stone than an unwritten constitution because it can be amended as and when it suits them.

 

I wouldn't be against the Australian system either where they have compulsory voting. Got them a 95% turnout in their last national elections.

 

what happens to the other 5%? do they get fined?

 

Yes, that or community service. Though you can obviously be excused if you're out of the country or ill etc. In some countries it's only compulsory for 18-75 year olds.

 

I disagree with compulsory voting. Not voting is a democratic right as much as voting is.

 

Broon has just given a statement outside No.10 - seems to have waved the much spoken about convention and has left Tories/Lib Dems to speak first. If they can't do it he says he'll talk to any of the party leaders. In the meantime he will do his constitutional duty to maintain government until such time as an agreement is made. Quite a shrewd statement there IMO totally lacking in party politics. To be fair though I'm not sure he had many other options as he's not in a position to come out fighting.

I think it's pretty obvious we're in limbo for the next 4-6 months. I think it's likely one way or another that the only significant piece of legislation to come out in the near future will be a Referendum Bill on voting reform. Trouble is that means the public potentially having to sit through another two campaigns and having to go to the polls another two times before the year is out to sort things out.

 

Compulsory yes, but aren't they allowed to abstain at the polling station.

Cameron now making an offer to the Lib Dems.

Needs to be sorted by very early next week....

 

UKIP have opened talks with the BNP.

 

Sharing tips on flying light aircraft?

 

Poor old Dave. He wanted an overwhelming vote for change and ended up getting short changed.

 

grovelling to the liberlas , how hurtful that must be to the hardened torys......with any luck clegg will tell them to **** off

 

Already the whispers have started behind the scenes that Dave has failed. I can imagine ol' Rupe Murdoch is going mad right now as apparently he was never sold on Dave and only agreed to support him because his son insisted it was the right move for his media empire. Quite embarrassing that for all the negative bullwarks and scare stories they've put out there people still weren't convinced.

I'm actually hoping Dave decides to soldier on alone as PM of a minority government - it could be the end of the Tories as we know them.

 

They have failed hugely , the Labour party as a whole has rarely been as weak as it was coming up to this election , the fact the torys couldn’t take advantage any more than 50 odd seats speaks more of the distrust there still is for them than anything else , don’t get me wrong , at the higher echelons there isn’t much difference between red and blue but the Tory’s still failed spectacularly

 

I think you're all missing the point with your premature dancing on the Tory grave. I do agree that Cameron is not the best Tory leader possible, but that doesn't change the fact that the swing from Labour has been massive.

The failure of the Tories to win an overall majority owes as much to the fact that the swing they'd have needed from the last election defeat to Tony Blair would have been something quite historic, as to the failures of the campaign.

I'd personally like to see Willam Hague back as leader.

 

I disagree , i think the labour hold on as many seats as they have shows a deep mistrust of the conservatives still hangs out there heavily on the electorate