Xisco Munoz

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  1. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Even the sun shines on a dog’s ass some days
  2. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    A division below that, though, so it's not particularly relevant/comparable.
  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    A lot of tight games like us last season.

    Didn't they come down from La Liga so probably expected to push for promotion?
  4. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Haven't forgiven him for the absolute dross he served up against Newcastle and Leeds.

    If we go down it's his fault. End of. As @Leetanner would say.
  5. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I thought I'd mention it though given that he (re)joined Getafe at roughly the same time Xisco was appointed at Huesca, and as evidence that quite a few of our managers under the Pozzos since leaving/being sacked from us have on the whole been underwhelming.
  6. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Shouldn't these words be in a different order?
  7. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

  8. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Getting some extra experience before he rejoins us next season
  9. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Doing a classic @WatfordTalk and being smug tonight. Shyte appointment that mirrors his time at Fulham, unsurprisingly.
  10. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    fu qin LOL
  11. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Let's face it, any bad decisions Ranieri has made have been exacerbated by the absolute ***** we have in the squad, he's certainly not the biggest factor in our eventual relegation. That said, I am beginning to think we might as well have kept Xisco, who knows, he might have learned something along the way and brought us back up, Ranieri will naturally ride off into the sunset very soon
  12. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

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  13. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Someone mentioned a similar idea earlier this evening to the above idea that I mooted way back then.

    It made me wonder had we gone for someone like Rafa, Roy or Claudio to team up with "The Kid" as his mentor that that might have been an idea that just could of worked?
  14. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I've BUMPED the above post as well because someone put forward a similar idea earlier this evening on another thread to what I suggested last April in that post.

    Which was that it might have been a good idea to have given "The Kid" a mentor to work with rather than to have appointed him on his own.
  15. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    I think he has shown during his uninspiring time at Huesca that getting rid of him was probably the best managerial decision we made this season. Maybe I am being a little harsh but he hasn’t pulled up any trees and is clearly not one of the best 50 managers in the world which is what is required to ensure Premier League safety. We made a big error entrusting a PL season to an average La Liga 2 manager.

    A lovely man though.
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  16. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I don't diagree that "The Kid" on his own was a bad idea.

    However I just wonder had we kept him on with a mentor like Rafa, Roy or Claudio to guide him "The Kid" might just have kept the feel good factor going at the club, and with the guidance of a mentor for him we might just be doing better than we are, but I guess we will never know.
  17. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    It's just as silly an idea now as it ever was, and nothing that has happened since has changed that - the issue is a combination of terrible recruitment, further terrible recruitment, and making equally bad choices for the head coach role to replace him.

    The issue was decidedly not not allowing a clearly demonstrably dreadfully out of his depth coach stay on and learn on the job as his hand is held by a phantom experienced coach who is, for some unexplained reason, totally prepared to take a role as an unqualified PE teacher's form tutor in lieu of being given their own job.
  18. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    I think that would be potentially worthwhile (assuming Xisco would agree to it) if he was some genius prodigy worth mentoring and keeping in house. I don’t think that’s the case though.
  19. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Munoz was just the right man at the right time for a ridiculously narrow set of circumstances which he still did his best to **** up, until Deeney got injured and stumbled on the formation that all of us had been saying we should use for months.

    He never really knew why he was doing something, and was hideously out of his depth in the PL. Even Frank has adapted to the PL, it only really works to keep doing the exact same thing you did in the championship if you have a particularly unique style of play that catches teams out initially, like Leeds and Sheffield Utd, but teams eventually cotton on.

    I really have no idea what type of manager Munoz was, attacking? Defending? Or what his style of play was, so in the absence of any of that, to stay in the PL first time around your best bet is a pragmatist who will adapt to the opposition and keep things tight. Munoz was incapable of that and was just not in the least bit equipped for the role.

    Out of many bad decisions this season it was the worst decision of all to keep him on.
  20. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I think our choices in the summer were either:

    -Replace Xisco with a known quantity ala 2015/16
    -Keep Xisco but bring in an experienced no.2 and hope he builds on the promising start he made to management

    In the end we did neither, and gave an inexperienced HC a defence proven to be poor at PL level, backed up by a team of relative nobodies.

    But, with the tools at his disposal, Xisco is still our most successful HC this season. After a start with a range of performances, some good, some awful, and average results, our choice became:

    -Back Xisco all the way to January and recruit sensibly, show the squad and the footballing world we're capable of a bit of stability

    -Gamble on a new manager bounce carrying us to safety

    We went for option 2 (twice), and both times went short-term, with managers who have pedigree but with no realistic chance of building any sort of long term project at the club.
  21. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Anyway all this number 2 talk is absolutely crackpot stuff, the manager himself needs to want it and actively request it themselves, which happens often enough. You cannot just foist someone more experienced on a manager who presumably has his own ideas (you’d hope) and ways he wants to do things. Talk about a recipe for disaster, bonkers stuff.
  22. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    He should have been sacked the day we were promoted and a proper coach given the whole summer and the entire transfer budget to buy whatever players he thought we needed.

    Simple stuff really, that worked many times in the past for us. Why did our owners change the formula in recent years? WHY?
  23. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Huesca are currently 14th in the Segunda Division after finishing 18th in LaLiga. He’s just a poor manager, and not one who would’ve been remotely capable of making a silk purse out of a sows ear in the Premier League, babysitter or no babysitter.
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  24. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    You're assuming Xisco would have turned up on the first day of pre-season and a naked Ray Lewington would have burst out of a cake?

    Of course the assumption would be a discussion with Gino/Xisco saying we want you to stay, but want to bring in someone with PL experience to help, because you're currently supported by Roberto Whatshisface and Dani Workexperiencia
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  25. Dr. Roland

    Dr. Roland Academy Graduate

    The squad is simply not premier league level.

    It wouldn’t have mattered and doesn’t matter who is in charge. This season was thrown away in the summer transfer window.

    I still feel we got very lucky last year in the championship and at times we were pretty disgusting to watch in that league.

    We needed about 8 premier league players, either with experience or with a high likelihood of being able to succeed at this level. To stand a fighting chance we needed to have an A+ window imo. Definitely the strongest of the pozzo era.

    Instead we got at best a C window.

    It’s not always the transfer windows that make or break a season but for me,at watford. last summer was one of those windows.
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  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

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