If you think 10 wins out of 12 is realistic, and you'll be "seriously embarrassed" if we don't achieve that, then i'm afraid you lose a lot of credibility. No intelligent debate on the subject is required. I think my response was great humour, but admittedly not quite as funny as your original post. The bookies have us as second favourites for relegation per oddschecker.
I saw my first Watford game on German television when I was 11 years old. Leicester misses the penalty and Deeney destroys all dreams of Leicester fans. Unfortunately, the final against Palace was lost, but I remember that moment and the atmosphere so well. Since then, I've watched the Watford games on TV from time to time. Now I finally have the opportunity to watch a game in Watford myself. The English fans were a bit noticed at the European Championship, but of course you shouldn't generalize that. The round of 16 still hurts us Germans a lot. Especially when Muller stood free in front of Pickford ..
It is a realistic aim. We should be aiming for 10 wins out of those 12 games. We are the better team compared to those 6 other teams when you look at the totality of their squad and ours. So yes, it is embarrassing to lose to inferior teams. If you ever kicked a ball in your life, I’m sure you would remember a moment when you lost to an opponent you expected to beat. How did you feel, embarrassed is my guess. However you probably also beat most teams you expected to beat, why, because you had the better players. Unless of course you only ever played for the worst team in the league, then my comparison is irrelevant. Again didn’t say “seriously embarrassed” said embarrassed. You’re really trying to over dramatize this, well played. Nope, just another failed attempt. Again though, admire you sticking to your guns. Thank goodness Football isn’t played by the bookies. Bookies who every season make the promoted teams favourites for relegation. You using that is beneath you. You’re better than that.
We too enjoy that goal, like a fine vintage wine improving with the years. It was especially funny for us as Knockaert cheated to get the penalty. And when we scored he cried. Just to reassure you we don't think you are a terrorist it was a joke. You may need to adapt to our sense of humour here but you are most welcome. Don't try the beer at the ground it tastes like awful Watford are historically a "family" club so generally viewed as friendly and not dangerous.
"Leicester misses the penalty and Deeney destroys all dreams of Leicester fans" @Filbert he has written a new signature for you
I didn't expect my original "humorous" reply to upset you so much. We should be aiming to win all 12 not just 10. But we won't actually achieve 10 or 12 but no need to feel embarrassed at that.... There's a very good reason the bookies include promoted teams amongst the favourites for relegation, though at present they only include us and Norwich, with Brentford finishing 6th bottom. Of course they are just guessing but at least they are independent views rather than biased WFC fans views based around footy databases and a couple of early matches. I get you're a very positive optimistic fan, I like your positivity and posts generally. I remember your optimistic list of what we should expect to sell our players for last summer when we needed to raise cash. You're right, you said you'd be "embarrassed" rather than"seriously embarrassed" by winning less than 30 points out of 36 ie 10 wins out of 12. My bad. Apologies if my error has radically misrepresented your views. I think you need to prepare yourself for feeling "embarrassed" .....if not "seriously embarrassed"
Bookies do it every year, and nearly every year they are wrong. That’s how they make so much money. Very rarely does it actually work out the way the bookies predicted. As fans, I think we know more about our own club than the bookies do. I don’t think it’s a bias view. When we beat Norwich and Newcastle the bookies will change their mind, and all of a sudden it will look different. Bookies are nothing to go on. Thanks. I like your posts too when they are not belittling to other posters. Ok let’s have a little wager. Not money though, I don’t bet. However I’m willing to put pride on the line. If Watford get relegated this season, my signature or whatever it’s called on this forum, tag line maybe? Anyway I will write, My football knowledge compared to The Undeniable Truth’s is limited. He knows more than me. If Watford stay up, you have your signature/tag line state. My football knowledge compared to Markoa$’ is limited. He knows more than me. The loser has to keep this for the entirety of next season. Deal?
The bookies are generally reasonably close and promoted teams are often relegated. 2 last year, 1 the year before, 2 the year before that, so on average >50% are. They are only predicting 2 now. I think any club's fans are on the whole too optimistic, expecting progress, expecting players to play at their best all the time. See the frustration under Gracia in the pre-relegation season despite a cup final and best league position for donkey's years. We bank the achievements and then want more. "We should have finished 7th". We aren't objective. Very happy to have an honour wager but you were predicting a little more than survival and I wasn't saying certain relegation. You said you'd be seriously embarrassed, no...wait...just embarrassed, if we didn't get 30 points out of 36 against those teams. That's what I was picking on. If you're so certain of 30+ points vs those 6 teams, there's the bet right there !
I’m sure I’ll regret getting into another logic debate with Mr Markoa but………..the bookies don’t make money be being wrong. By that logic they can make Man City 50-1, Chelsea 33-1 and then have Watford and Norwich as the jollies for the title and then start printing money. Getting 30 points from 36 against the teams you mention is champions league form. That said I do think we are somewhat under rated at the moment. I see no reason why we are expected to get 34.5 points, whereas Palace are expected to get 37 for example. I’d say we are on even par.
There's logic in having a heavy focus on that strategy though. The bedrock of our league performance in 18/19 was being the flat track bullies and getting a high %age of points against the bottom 6. We didn't lose to any of them. Burnley - 4pts Southampton - 2pts Brighton - 4pts Cardiff - 6pts Fulham - 4pts Huddersfield - 6pts 26/36 by my count.
Same as 15/16, our next highest finish in Premier League times. Against the bottom six, we took 27 points from 36 - eight wins, three draws and only one defeat. Maybe we need to score heavily against the bottom teams to finish comfortably mid table? Having said that, there's no way we're winning 10/12 games from the ones listed, that's pie in the sky thinking. The jury is very much out on this squad, one good performance against Villa doesn't justify bold comments that we are definitely better than six other teams. We were utterly abject against Brighton and ok but toothless against Spurs.
Indeed, if we want to finish comfortably mid table we need gain most of our points against the lower sides but even that year was only 26 points achieved by an established prem team against a bottom 6 including the likes of HTFC and Cardiff. Without doubt the coming games against Norwich, Newcastle etc are really important but I certainly wouldn't assume we should win 10/12 games vs the bottom 6 or feel embarrassed if we don't.
Yes there is. But 30 verses 26 is quite an uptick. I’d be surprised if teams finishing 3rd or 4th got more than 30 of 36 against the dunces. And add to the fact the jury is still very much out on the current squad.
But if the towers had been hit on the 9th of November the Americans would absolutely have called it 11-9.
If they missed their 911 deadline they would have had to wait for June 2066 so they could call it 666 . Apparently the only reason they hit NYC in 2001 is because they missed their deadline for Sept 1999 and the poetically named 999.
Still not obligatory or going to stop anyone getting in, but they’re doing spot checks of a Covid passes this weekend now. https://www.watfordfc.com/news/matchday-info-covid-19-spot-checks-introduced-for-wolves-game
https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/19567341.watford-implement-covid-19-spot-checks-supporters/ @Julian a quick heads up. You'll need evidence you've either been double jabbed, had a negative test 48 hours before the game (Rapid Flow or PCR) or have medical exemption from jabs. This won't stop you getting in but you may be asked during it.
And if in the miniscule chance you are unlucky enough to be asked and can't provide evidence of being jabbed or being negative they'll let you in anyway
You can get a rapid flow test kit free of charge from any pharmacist. Then download the NHS Covid app to demonstrate you've had a negative test.
I'm not sure from this article that proof of vaccinations will be enough when this becomes mandatory though. It sounds like you're going to need to present the actual NHS covid pass.
Thanks for the information! I am double vaccinated, but we do not use the NHS app in Germany. We have an app here that is only valid in the EU. Unfortunately, I cannot download the NHS app in Germany. I could either show the EU Covid vaccination app or take my vaccination booklet with me.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t you been banging on about us getting relegated all summer? Just because I would be embarrassed doesn’t mean I was certain we would beat them. We should beat them, we are better than them. 30 points from 36 should be our aim from those 6 clubs. So since you’re convinced of relegation, I’m convinced of a comfortable finish, let’s make the honor bet; If Watford finish 16th or lower, you win. If Watford finish 15th or higher, I win.
I think it’s likely we will finish bottom 6, yes. You will feel embarrassed if we don’t get 30 points from 36 against the teams you listed, which is what I challenged, but are now saying that doesn’t mean you think we will get 30 points so presumably are expecting to be embarrassed and so don’t want to make that the bet ? If on a separate subject and for a bit of fun, if you want to make this a bottom 6 or not bottom 6 bet ie 15th or lower I win, then you are on. Alternatively, if Watford get 30 points in those games you win, if Watford get relegated, I win.
You've got evidence that you've been double jabbed, so you'll be fine in the unlikely event that anyone asks. Enjoy the game!
He'll be fine because it's not compulsory this weekend, but it's worth pointing out for games after 1 October it won't be enough for people to provide evidence they've been double jabbed. The way it's currently set up it's NHS Covid Pass or bust.
JP may be back, Tufan’s available but only joined the team yesterday. Kiko and Foster are out. Club still trying to find a compromise that will allow Sierralta to play. https://www.watfordfc.com/news/team-news-watford-v-wolves
I’m going to draw a couple of red dots on my upper arm as proof of being double jabbed. Smart thinking eh?
I think we should offer Sierralta to not play against Stoke as the compromise. I’m sure FIFA would be happy with that solution and it would adhere to Chile’s desire for our player to serve a ban. Everyone is happy.
I'm sorry but if Kiko is still injured 4 months after a groin injury then we should have signed a right back.
