Extraordinary stuff. Everything they have said and done over the past month is in the bin. The only thing they had that might have resonated with the electorate was a commitment on energy bills for the next two years – they criticised Labour's plan for lasting only six months. And even that is in the bin. Truss has been absolutely rinsed here. Hunt has come in and marked her homework and she's got a F for failure. Mordaunt made Truss's excuses for her only for the PM to then saunter in looking like none of this is her fault.
You can get away with impoverishing the whole country over many decades by choosing almost the hardest Brexit on offer but you can't get away with ******* people over on their mortgages. Hard to believe how much the self styled 'trusted with the economy' party have screwed us both in the short term and the long term.
Labour supported the income tax cut that's now been scrapped. Labour wanted to cut corporate tax even more than the Tories. They offer absolutely nothing different whatsoever and won't get my vote. Tory B team is all they are. Just more of the same. Now we face a continuing decline, even harder austerity, even more poverty, even more dilapidation and crappy public services. It isn't Truss who needs to go, it's the whole lot of them. All these establishment public school boys, Lords and barons and duchesses. All the traders and dealers and 'money men'. The whole lot of them. We're not advancing, we're going backwards and have been for decades. They say a quarter of children are now facing food poverty. Now we have the prospect of more decades of getting worse, decline and going backwards. One way to sort it: abandon the money system. That's the city boys sorted. Now they'll have to get a real job. Same with the accountants and the paper shufflers and capitalist administrators and advertisers and marketers. Capitalism is from last century. It isn't suited to modern times. Let's plan what needs to be consumed and organise the work needed to produce it. We can easily solve stupid waste and have a hope of tackling the existential threat of climate change.
I like the interviews with public 'experts' that they put on the BBC news. Today there was Steve - a grubby white-coated greengrocer from a Birmingham market. Despite his relatively humble profession, thanks perhaps to his knowledge of the ins and outs of the cabbage and collie trade, Steve is a massive financial expert, with a profound understanding of international economics. He also appears to receive daily treasury briefings, because with huge authority he's able to inform us that "we're living beyond our means as a country", that "the public purse is empty" and that "we can't have what we can't afford". Taxes will have to go up Steve announces regretfully. He'd like it to be different, of course he would, but there's nothing that even Steve is able to do about these facts. Whilst he is obviously in the know, he's concerned that the rest of the country "needs to be aware" of these things and he's just the man to share his wisdom with all us poor innocents.
Why are the views of people that have no expertise relevant (regardless of their social status)? The news should be about facts with experts explaining what they mean. The only views should be from experts and/or politicians. If the discussion that @Clive_ofthe_Kremlin was referring to was about fruit or retail in general then the greengrocers view is relevant. But his opinion on macro economics is not something that should be part of a national news broadcast imho. All he is doing is regurgitating what he has read from his chosen news outlets. He can do that down the pub or on social media.
Precisely. If Steve had said, it's not looking good and he's worried about the effects of all this chaos on his trade and his expenses, that perhaps he'd have to put his prices up - then absolutely fine. His views are relevant and interesting. But to be spouting all this condescending nonsense about the public purse being empty and the country living beyond its means is just patronising piffle. He was self-important and patronising, lecturing the viewer about things he couldn't possibly know about and as @sydney_horn says, regurgitating what's he's read in the Doollally Mail or wherever. The interview wasn't worth broadcasting.
FFS. It was a Vox pop piece on BBC Breakfast. Henry Kissinger wasn't available so they asked a greengrocer from Birmingham
Why? Because he's a greengrocer he should restrict his interests to fruit and veg? Nobody claimed the bloke was the world's foremost economist! You really are a dreadful snob Clive
That’s all very well, but they tend to select out the nearby stallholders who may be saying something completely different, like there is loads of money, but it is poorly distributed. It’s like when people talk about land use and debate over whether small green spaces should be built on. We never hear the view that the huge swathes of non-farming land owned by the nobility, tycoons and golf courses could be built on. The narrow narrative is a construction. Steve the grocer fitted it and therefore got on. Clive’s correct to call it out.
That's true. I'm now looking forward to hearing what Gavin, a stockbroker from Hampshire, thinks is the best way to fix a miss firing Vauxhall Astra. Saves me taking it down to my local garage and wasting my time asking a so called "expert".
TBF, the one positive thing of Truss's premiership is to highlight both what utter cobblers these loons have been preaching and that everyone of their high profile proponents is a moron.
Even the Tory membership have had enough of Truss. It's a shame that once you have had a democratic vote you are not allowed to change your mind and have another one (see Brexit):
Amazing that 3/5 of her supporters want her to carry on. She could drag us into nuclear war and their charred bodies would be calling phone-ins to ask that she is given a bit more time.
Remember though, that she underperformed against Sunak in the actual vote compared with the polling. I wonder where members would put their cross in a secret ballot, compared with what they would tell a pollster.
I don't think it's amazing at all. Why would they want another leadership contest which will only further emphasise to the wider electorate just how much of a mess the party is in?
She’s going to abandon the pensions triple lock. I wonder how that will go down with the members who voted for her? Pure self-harm.
I wonder if all these cuts would be needed if Rishi hadn't given away billions to companies that didn't exist or paid people to stay in and sit on their ar5e5 during the covid crisis or chucked trillions away on the covid app that nobody used
ITV News reporting that Truss is currently in a meeting with the ERG. I mean what the actual ****? That’s her priority today? Seeing those headbangers?
