The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. I don't know how to edit youtube videos so I'm afraid you'll have to skip to 5:10 for the relevant bit
     
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  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Call Jonathan Pie on Radio 4, features the eponymous pastiche Political Journalist taking on the issues of the day with a phone in. It’s terrific stuff, occasionally in the territory of I’m Alan Partridge but plenty enough of its own thing and that very rare thing, a laugh out loud entertainment of ideas.

    In this episode on Brexit, he gives both Remainers and Leavers both barrels, but I’d recommend the whole sweary shebang from Episode One.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fst0z4?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
     
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  4. Won't somebody think of the roofs.
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  5. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Was she claiming that a benefit of Brexit was no more Robson and Jerome songs? If so, we’ve finally got one!
     
  6. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    It does have an impact on wages but it was estimated to be 8p per week by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research. Well worth putting up trade barriers to our biggest trading partners :rolleyes:
     
  7. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

  8. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    That's more likely to be a rounding error than anything else.
     
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  9. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

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  10. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  11. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Interesting. The forum's discussion of the CPTPP trade deal is very insightful and educational. Not even an 'only worth 1.8bn after ten years'.

    Some might think that the first European country joining that block would be worth some comment.
     
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  12. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Japan needed us to join as they were desperate to avoid a "pro-China joining" majority emerging amongst the members.
     
  13. Kemi Badenoch has just signed a trade agreement with the Ferengi Alliance, a block with a GDP of 56.3tn Quatloos. We expect this deal to provide an uplift to British GDP of 0.04% over the next millennium. Ms Badenoch observed "the Ferengi are very fond of Eccles Cakes and Whitstable Oysters - and due to their much stronger stomach acid, they are immune to the fecal matter contaminating our Oysters which means we can't sell them anywhere else."
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  14. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    It's cracking stuff showing just what a powerhouse the UK is in terms of global trade.

    After 10 years, this brilliant new deal will have been worth to the UK about as much as one year's worth of the cycle industry. (Pedal cycles, not motorcycles).
     
  15. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

  16. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    I thought we just signed a bilateral trade deal with Australia? (you know, the one that had Channel 9 presenters in stitches!) Is this better/worse?

    The EU has trade deals with countries like Canada, are we sure we are not just scrabbling to get back to where we were pre-Brexit?

    Seems like there are opportunities for obfuscation and double-counting here - not that a UK Government would indulge in such activities!
     
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  17. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    I really don't see the downside for the LibDems of switching themselves to be the "rejoin" party.

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  18. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Yeah, but now think of all that lovely Palm Oil we can bring in from Malaysia!
     
  19. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Think there's enough greasy palms in politics as it is.
     
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  20. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I can't understand why Davey doesn't have the balls to make applying to rejoin the EU (no referendum) the centrepiece of the Libs' manifesto. I wouldn't vote for them but I'm sure millions who otherwise wouldn't, would
     
  21. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    ¡¡¡Las Malvinas Son Argentinas!!!

    Oigan esto señores imperialistas!

    Argentina has claimed a diplomatic “triumph” after the EU agreed to refer to the Falklands as the Malvinas in an official document.

    The move was signed off by European Union leaders when they met with the Celac group of Latin American and Caribbean leaders in Brussels.

    James Cleverly, the Foreign Secretary, had asked Brussels to reject any mention of the Falkland Islands in the declaration ahead of the summit.

    But EU officials said Britain would *not be allowed any say in the matter*, since it is no longer a member of the bloc.


    Hahaha hahaha etc.
     
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  22. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    From what understand the document referred to the islands as Falklands/Malvinas i.e. both names were used to reflect the names given by two 3rd countries, us and Argentina.

    Obviously, when the UK was in the EU, the Falklands was used in all documents as we were members and, as such, our wishes were respected.

    The Brexit loons have gone into meltdown over it. I've heard suggestions ranging from closing the border with the EU to banning EU fishing boats from our waters!

    As you say....Hahaha hahaha etc
     
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  23. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    As much as I don’t care whether the World calls the islands one thing or another, I always find the Argentinian outrage about imperialism a bit suspect, given that they are overwhelmingly of Spanish origin and had it not been for ruthless colonisation from the 16th Century onwards, wouldn’t be in the Americas at all. The indigenous peoples have been absorbed or flung to the margins.

    The Falklands are nearly a thousand miles from Argentina, roughly the same distance as here to Sevilla. Admittedly, not much in-between.
     
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  24. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    The Falklands seem to be political football Argentina likes to use to deflect attention away from their own problems.

    In the grand scheme of things what other groups of countries call the self governed territory really doesn't matter and it's likely a manouevre to foster relations between the EU and South America. We should be above doing anything about it other than calling it out for the I'll thought out petty move it is.
     
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  25. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Well yes, but that's going back 500 years. And there was also a healthy contribution from Welsh sheep farmers and nazi war criminals to the Argie genetic pool too of course.

    I would really recommend reading 'a brief history of the destruction of the indies' for a proper shocking first hand account of a genocide.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Short_Account_of_the_Destruction_of_the_Indies

    I think nearly all Latinx people woild object to being thought of as 'Spanish' colonisers. From the very early days of Hispanic empire, those born in the Americas of Spanish descent mainly considered themselves 'creoles' rather than Spanish. They were often the leaders of the independence battles against Spain (Bolivar, Martí, San Martin etc).

    But one big difference between the British and Spanish empires is that the Panchos freely inseminated anything that moved of any colour or background (and probably gender). The Brits tended more to keep to themselves.
     
  26. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    From the destruction of the indies book - written 1542.

    "They erected certain Gibbets, large, but low made, so that their feet almost reached the ground, every one of which was so ordered as to bear Thirteen Persons in Honour and Reverence (as they said blasphemously) of our Redeemer and his Twelve Apostles, under which they made a Fire to burn them to Ashes whilst hanging on them"

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  27. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    When do the government announce the creation of a Task Force?
     
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  28. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Wait till they hear the French call our capital Londres. The bastards!!
     
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  29. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Not least because we have the courtesy to call their capital by the same name as they do.
     
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  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    But that's exactly what you voted for.

    ‘We are at 50% of the quota we had’: boss of UK’s last long-range trawler rues ‘squandered’ Brexit hopes

     
  31. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I suppose my point is, stuff happened hundreds of years ago, people moved around, named things. It’s not determinative of what should happen now. The Malvinas itself is a European derived name.
     
  32. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  33. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Exactly this. Moreover. the near unanimous wish of the sparse human population to remain a UK overseas territory and Argentina has virtually no moral claim on the islands, apart from the fact that they're relatively near. There are far higher priorities for de-imperialism with some French/US overseas territories than Falklands.
     
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  34. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    front right victim is hot in more ways than one!
     
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