The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Yeah but from whence the **** did we get 'Germany?' I mean, it's not even similar.
     
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  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The Spanish could start with the Canary Islands (67 miles from Morocco) if they feel so strongly about it.
     
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  3. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The Romans called that region ‘Germania’
     
  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    And since then, we've had settlers from that region live here and 2000 years, but we stuck with Germany, instead of Deutschland?
     
  5. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    That's the gist of it, yes....although we started using it well after the Romans IIRC. My recollection is that it had something to do with not wanting to confuse Deutsch and Dutch, but I don't know if that's true or not.
     
  6. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    ISTR these languages were referred to (right up to the 16th century) as "High Dutch" and "Low Dutch". I like what the Lithos and the Russians call the German language: vokiečių (from the verb vogti 'to steal' from their first meeting them during the various Germanic crusades to Lithuania) and Немецкий (literally 'no tongue', again from first meeting them during the Germanic crusades - the same word is used to describe 'Dutch').
     
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  7. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Well, more like 1500 years since the end of the Western Roman Empire and there is no evidence of the concept of ‘Deutschland’ for centuries after that. The Carolingians called that area ‘East Frankia’ and it split into various entities that existed for hundreds of years. So the inhabitants of that area themselves didn’t call it Deutschland!
     
  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  9. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The team of the most prominent of the riders, Biniam Girmay, Intermarche Wanty, has taken to trolling the UK Government in return.

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  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I can never see pictures you post. I just get .

    Only happens with yours. What’s that all about?
     
  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Dunno but I can see it. And it appears in the quote too.
     
  13. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Ok, not strictly true, as I can see this pic.
     
  14. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-economy-gdp-growth-jeremy-hunt-b2403325.html

    Extraordinary that you chaps haven't even mentioned this.

    It's almost as if you were a bunch of self hating remoaners who would rather ignore a quite remarkable revision because it sets the UK in a somewhat more positive light than the one you have been enjoying so much over the last few years.

    Just goes to show. Saying something over and over again like a desperate wish doesn't make it come true. Imagine if, since 2021, the revised figures had generated greater confidence in the economy too? As it may we'll have done. But no one in the civil service, surely, would dream of trying to make post Brexit Britain, or the tories, look even more like they were failing. Would they?

    I wonder what other BS civil service misinformation we are subject to?
     
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  15. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Probably because GDP is a very blunt tool when it comes to assessing a nation's economic health.

    But posting that at five to two in the morning sure screams 'gotcha!'

    Seriously, it's clearly great news and I look forward to seeing the benefits of this robust 'not quite as bad as they thought' economy in real practical terms. Reassuring to know the Government will now be able to fix the crumbling schools, the broken roads, clean up the rivers, tackle the cost of living crisis, sort out interest rates and inflation, the list goes on. With such a booming economic outlook there's no need to tell the poorest paid to suck it up buttercup, the Government can just agree pay rises for the doctors and Mick Lynch's workers on Monday morning.

    It's gonna be kinda hard for the Tories to stick with the 'tough decisions have to be made (so we can keep kicking downwards)' when the nation is so clearly awash with cash, everything is thriving and everyone in society is sharing in the glorious spoils. That's a setback because they need to be able to kick downwards to shore up the meanest element of their vote as they can.

    I mean, even Sarah Vine – darling of the Tories – sees what's really going on: Basket case Britain is starting to feel like a third world country

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...H-VINE-Basket-case-Britain-World-country.html

    TL; DR: The economy is an absolute mess. The signs of it are absolutely everywhere but it's happened in slow motion that we barely register the decay all around us. Britain's position as an expensive poor country needs more than 'well GDP isn't as bad as they first thought'.
     
  16. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Or how about David Frost, one of the biggest Brexit buffoons?

    You say it’s “remoaners” talking down Britain but more and more I see the Leave-promoting Righties bemoaning the state of Britain.

    This C-grade GCSE level essay by Frost from today’s Telegraph…

    Nothing constructive, no answers, just evidence he’s opened his eyes and taken a look around him after 13 years of Conservative rule and after 7 years of Brexit benefits.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...future-of-britain-a-country-danger-giving-up/
     
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  17. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    It's all the fault of those damn experts. If only they had warned everyone!
     
  18. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    He he.

    Who is the bigger fool? The expert who gets something wrong? Or the ideological lamb who relies on him for validation?

    Hooter, leave the poor experts alone!

    Baahhh
     
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  19. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    From word salad to non-sequitur. Britain is crumbling – the evidence is everywhere and the right-wing columnists have finally noticed the impact of their ideology. Not very long ago Jeremy Hunt said we should all expect to pay higher taxes and look forward more spending cuts because, well, times were tough and money was tight.

    But at this very time, apparently, it turns out that GDP was actually better than everyone thought. So why did we have the doom-and-gloom forecast, the 'tighten your belts, plebs' messaging? If the economy was in such a great state, why weren't they bullishly pushing ahead with their great vision? If they had such confidence in the British outlook why weren't they backing Britain? After all, numbers don't lie.

    Seems it's the Government that lacks belief in Britain, not the people who can see with their own eyes exactly what our infrastructure and public services are like.
     
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  20. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Britain rejoins Horizon.

    At last, a Brexit benefit. The UK wouldn't have been able to rejoin if it hadn't left in the first place.
     
  21. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Could be worse under Labour.
     
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  22. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Next stop: REACH
     
  23. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    The US, India, Saudi Arabia, UAE and EU agree what they're calling an 'economic corridor'. The corridor must have a bit of a kink in it because it seems to have missed out global powerhouse, the UK.

    Meanwhile, Modi stood Sunak up and met Biden instead. #GlobalBritain

    Not doing all that well on the world stage with their new-found status and power are they.
     
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  24. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    If only someone had warned us that voting to leave the EU was voting to become globally irrelevant.
     
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  25. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    SOVEREIGNTY! The sovereign right to be totally irrelevant.
     
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  26. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

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  27. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Is that w*nking bananas in your sig?

    Even they appear to be mocking you.
     
  28. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Almost funny how much Project Fear has proven to be Project Reality, really.

    Almost.
     
  29. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    They are dancing bananas, if you bothered to engage with other areas of the forum you would know that. As for being mocked maybe check out all the threads you do engage in, plenty of mocking going on.
     
  30. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    UK taypayers giving German car company £75m in order to 'invest' £600m manufacturing electric Minis is such a mind-boggler for the flag-waving wing of the Brexiter movement.

    Iconic British car brand, now owned by a German company. UK Govt paying a £75m sweetener to ensure they make the batteries here. BMW all too happy because it gives them two big bonuses: 1. £75m 2. A way to make the batteries here and avoid the difficulty and cost of importing them created by Brexit restrictions and tariffs.

    Getting paid to avoid the implications of Breggzit is a win-win for BMW.

    Profits go back to Germany. The UK gets 4,000 jobs. That's it. It'll be portrayed as a huge win for economic and manufacturing powerhouse the UK but all we're providing is a sweetener, the land and the labour.
     
  31. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Brexit is crumbling before our eyes. The fraud is being exposed bit by bit but the staggering thing is that it's the fraudsters themselves who are doing the exposing!

    David Frost, who negotiated the deal he and Johnson hailed as fantastic, oven-ready and so on, now admitting in the House of Lords that they hoped the NI protocol *that they negotiated* would collapse so it could be replaced by something better.

    Absolute charlatans the lot of them. None of them are a quarter as clever as they think they are. In fact, they are dull-witted, lacking in anything approaching a vision for the nation. How did these small-minded, backward-thinking little berks manage to con so many?

    But yeah, sovereignty seems to mean the freedom to tell the British public lies and think they can get away with it.
     
  32. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Bad faith and being untrustworthy are always helpful to take into any future negotiations. ******* idiots
     
  33. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Without covering too much old ground, they were able to con so many because their class sponsors, who control so much of the media, laid the groundwork with decades long encouragement of petty and nationalistic grievances in lieu of addressing the real challenges people face. Other sections of the ruling class facilitated this by favouring the marketisation of all aspects of modern life and all social assets, leaving people precarious and hampering social mobility. It hasn’t stopped yet.
     
  34. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    This tracks with media stories at that time of how the EU negotiators were shocked at how unprepared and generally unfit for purpose the UK negotiators were.
     

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