Yes, spot on with Charlton and Stoke. Even Watford had that mantle of being the club to emulate for a short while. I guess it’s all cyclical. Brighton are not big enough to maintain their status for years, as history tells us.
Yes. A reminder that we are just as likely to drop to league one over the next 5 years as gain promotion. Much larger clubs than us have spent time there. Amazing that Ipswich and Sunderland spent periods at that level and unless SW or Derby win the POs, they may too.
Opinions of course but the size of club, history and support base, I do find it amazing the both dropped and couldn’t get back for season after season. Yes agree our run is amazing. What is it, pre 1979/80 we’d only spent 2 seasons in the top 2 tiers in our entire history. Since 1979/80 we’ve only spent 2 seasons out of the top 2 tiers. Almost all in the champ and some in the prem have been in League One in the last 10 years or so.
I think it’s more the case that if you take PL money away the difference in revenue between a Sunderland and us is relatively minor, and it’s natural that clubs of varying sizes will perform better or worse than each other based on better or worse decisions being made at the those clubs. For any club that hasn’t suckled at the teat of the PL for a while some bad decisions could easily put you in league one no matter your ‘size’. It’s why in the NFL every club has the same mount of money to spend, but some clubs regularly challenge for superbowls and some are regularly amongst the worst every season, despite being handed advantages like top draft picks. Once you have the PL money the same situation applies when it comes to decision making, we have just made absolutely appalling decisions for the the past few seasons and have squandered our hard fought position.
Yes we have. Like many of the other teams in the champ have over the last 10 years. Prem monies don’t guarantee you stay there unless you have rich owners too. You are competing with 19 other clubs with prem monies and each year 3 have to drop.
In terms of overall statistics, he has been the best player in the league this season. His stock has definitely risen since last summer and he signed a new, longer contract after the Newcastle interest.
Brighton's transfer policy is largely based on stats. Whoscored's ratings are based on how well a player's stats compare overall against other players in the division. It's therefore obvious that the two might correlate. No it does not "always attract a far higher premium" - 3 of the 5 most expensive football transfers ever are of players that were aged 19, 19 and 21, for instance. The model and finances of the buying club is also of relevance with the profile of players signed - for a club like Brighton who still need to have an eye on player trading and hopefully making a profit on players, signing younger players gives more of an opportunity of doing that. When you buy a player that is more of the finished article there is more sunk cost. There is a value in signing a player you will still get your money back on if sold later on, relative to their value possibly declining; not every club has the pockets of Man Utd where they can buy a 30 year-old Casemiro for £60mil knowing they'll likely never get that £60mil back, for instance. Also, as someone who supposedly watches Watford games regularly, you should be aware that JP is more of a creative player/number 10 than an out-and-out CF like Watkins, so the goals scored statistic is only of partial relevance. Goalscoring is only one of many stats. As an extra note, Watkins had the 8th highest rating of Championship players on whoscored the season he was sold (with a rating lower than JP's), so despite his goalscoring there would have been perhaps other aspects of his play which weren't as strong.
WhoScored ratings may be based on underlying stats but humans have decided how to weight those stats to produce the overall rating. In my opinion, the nerds that have put them together have hugely inflated the value of certain skillsets. Pedro is top of the ratings as he racks up the completed dribbles even if at the end of it he overhits the pass, it's in a non threatening part of the pitch or a pass would've been a better option. Same thing happened with latter day Deeney, where he was always to the top of the ratings for us despite being in terminal decline - he was racking up the points from winning headers (even if they went to no-one) and scoring penalties. Anyone watching could see he was contributing the square root of **** all to the overall game. Pedro clearly hasn't been the best performing player in the Championship this season, he might scrape into the top ten. Arguably most talented with highest ceiling (and surrounded by crap team mates) but he's not yet consistently delivering.
How?! A 30 year-old Casemiro would still have cost less than a 24 year-old Casemiro would have. Harry Kane will be sold for a fairly high fee this summer, but not for as much as the kind of offers Spurs would have had years ago. None of that completely contradicts this point: "No it does not "always attract a far higher premium" - 3 of the 5 most expensive football transfers ever are of players that were aged 19, 19 and 21, for instance."
Watkins had one good season at Brentford and played on the wing for Exeter, he had never played higher than the Championship before going to Villa. Pedro has never played lower than the Championship and has played a full season in the prem plus he's 21. I am not saying Pedro is worth 3om in fact I consider him be worth considerably less. You can't compare Watkins and Pedro as one is a striker and the other not.
Don't bother - a19tgg thinks having more years ahead of him plus a higher potential sell-on value is somehow of little relevance.
Man City were in Division 3 25 years ago, I’d say that was more “amazing” than two medium sized clubs spending a few seasons there.
So what you’re saying is a player with worse stats will sell for more than one with better stats, because they have the potential to be as good as the one with better stats? Got you.
Reminds me of the chanting at a Abu Dhabi game a few years ago: WFC: "Where were you when you were sh1t... " Citeh: "Where were you when WE were sh1t... " Edit: I think it was prompted by the announcement of the attendance.
You can compare them in terms of what the ceiling for Championship player fees are. I’m not even arguing that the fee isn’t £30m, just that the fee will be £30m total, not £30m + a load of add ons + a big sell on percentage. The latter makes no sense at all and is just wishful thinking/copium.
Brighton are an incredibly well run club on and off the pitch. The complete antithesis to us. No doubt they have replacements for the likes of Ferguson, Enciso and company when they invariably move on.
They remind me so much of Watford in the early 80s. A club with a long lower-league history now at their absolute best with an intelligent owner, excellent staff, excellent coach, very good players. And nice fans too.
What did we use to decide Andre Gray was worth 18 million ? 7 million more than Richarlison for example . And potentially pay 15 million for Davis - thank goodness we aren’t!
What the heck are you going on about now?! I didn't say that did I?... I actually pointed out that JP has better stats overall, as per his whoscored rating being higher than Watkins' was.
We should all probably get into the habit of fact checking your posts as well: https://www.besoccer.com/new/top-10-most-expensive-transfers-in-football-history-1225111 But I guess you’d never want to let the actual facts get in the way of your arguments would you!
This is all very true. It’s also fair to say the owner injecting £406m unsecured and interest free has helped to achieve all this
Mbappe = 19 Joao Felix = 19 Enzo Fernandez = 21 ??????? (PS I'd checked on wikipedia, where Dembele is listed as 9th, but he was also just 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_association_football_transfers )
Agents! Disgusting what Andrew French said we have been doing as a club the other day and literally the reason we’re in this mess in my opinion. Giaretta and Gino should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Basically every club thinks they will improve and never fall into the trap of so many clubs and get relegated before getting themselves into a right old mess. Burnley have probably got away with it through good management and recruitment. I guess we had that chance 2 years ago after promotion but didn't take it.
Considering that you just keep posting 'L' s in this thread I don't know how you can really believe that about yourself.
