Birmingham City 1-1 Watford Fc - 16/08/2022

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Klein Lust, Aug 13, 2022.

  1. I'd love a winner from our new No.3.

    Deeney don't like it...

    Mario Gaspar
    Mario Gaspar

    With apologies to the late Joe Strummer.
     
  2. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Oh yes he has
     
  3. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    Going to have to revert to a back 5 without Kamara. Big question is therefore: keep the midfield 3 and play Sarr in a front 2, or try to get away with just 2 of our limited CMs in order to be able to play Sarr on the right of a front 3? I'd go with the former. There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of planning going into how we use Sarr so far, and his pace will always be a threat. The midfield 2 aren't good enough, so it has to be 3 to have any chance of getting some control.
     
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  4. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Yep, prices vary greatly, £39 was good for Tuesday, but at Blackpool for three nights for the Preston game was about £300 for the three nights.
    I booked Headlands hotel for total £145 and that includes full English breakfast.
     
  5. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I stayed in a particularly bad Travelodge in Edinburgh some years ago and vowed I would never stay in one again. It’s been Premier Inns ever since, which are usually fine but I don’t know how prices compare.
     
  6. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    I'd be surprised if Clevs started either. I suspect that we'll go 3 5 2, otherwise Deeney will just peel off on to the LB and bully them.
    I suspect that Gasper will push out wider and Gosling will come in the middle. Sarr and Pedro up front to start.
     
  7. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Premier Inns tend to be rather more expensive, but I do have to say that Travelodge is much improved to what it used to be, you always now get clean accommodation, a good shower and a comfortable bed, so I find then alright, as long as they are not asking silly money.
     
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  8. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    Probably correct, although he was awful in the second half on Friday. Shame TDB's out. Maybe give Quina a chance?
     
  9. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Make no mistake if we win it will be because we are lucky and not because we are a high standard compared to this league.

    If we lose it will prove we are ****!!

    Edwards out!!
     
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  10. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

  11. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Gosling was worse than Cleverley last week, Quina is a good backup but not really a starter. Asprilla has looked up for it in his short cameos so far. I would def start him over the other two. I really don't know what was up with Gosling last week... was it the heat?
     
  12. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    If we only have 5 shots in total, and win with our one shot on target I think that would be a fair comment.
    Hopefully we can win AND be the better team.
     
  13. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Agreed Gosling was extremely poor when he came on but I would still start him. Asprilla to replace him if needed. Birmingham looked very slow in their defensive line so I'd imagine Sarr starts and gets replaced by Davis. I wouldn't be disappointed even with dropping Sarr to the bench and seeing how JP and Davis work as a two.
     
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  14. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Bachmann

    Kaba
    Sierralta
    Cathcart

    Gaspar
    Choudhury
    Kayembe
    Sema

    JP

    Bayo
    Sarr

    Hamer, Ngakia, Pollock, Gosling, Asprilla, Manaj, Davis.

    Birmingham 0 - 3 Watford

    'Orns!
     
  15. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Bachmann

    Gaspar
    Cathcart
    Sierralta
    Sema

    Choudhury
    Kayembe
    Cleverley/Gosling

    Sarr
    Davis
    JP
     
  16. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Got to get Davis playing. He hates Birmingham and will definitely want to impress on his debut against them.

    For me it’s one of two formations

    433

    Bachmann
    Gaspar Kaba Sierralta Sema/Morris
    Choudhury Kayembe Asprilla
    Sarr Davis Pedro

    343

    Bachmann
    Kaba Sierralta Cathcart
    Gaspar Choudhury Kayembe/Asprilla Sema
    Sarr Davis Pedro

    Again, watching Birmingham the other day, they looked woeful. So definitely favourites to beat us. Our front line with Davis in it does give us the option to by pass the CM’s if we go 343 and go long up to Davis for him to bring in Sarr and Pedro.

    Either formation and line up should be more than enough to beat Birmingham based on what I saw the other day. However it’s these types of games that will show us what we’re made of. Anything other than a win is a poor result.
     
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  17. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    The forum seems to struggle with the concept of being lucky to win or unlucky to lose a given game!
     
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  18. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Looked at Birmingham's central midfield pairing for their last game, and if you combine their ages they are 2 years younger than Foster. Seems to me as though we should target their inexperience.
     
  19. VR94

    VR94 Academy Graduate

    Pretty sure we'll play five at the back, but wonder whether Edwards will play Asprilla from the start to try and offset the extra defender.

    Bachmann

    Kaba
    Sierralta
    Cathcart

    Gaspar
    Choudhury
    Kayembe
    Asprilla
    Sema

    Sarr
    Pedro
     
  20. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    If we lose after being the better side and missing a host of chances => "we are unlucky".
    If we win after being 2nd best and our opponents missing a host of chances => "a good professional win, we allowed them the possession, and none of their chances were that clear cut. It's good to win "ugly"".
     
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  21. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Snob! What about the fair people of Lille who don’t have Mooney!?
     
  22. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    At Cardiff Birmingham's defensive right side was all over the place. They looked very vulnerable.
    I assume Kamara isn't playing, so I think maybe King Ken might drop into that spot. If that is the case Brum would have missed a trick if they don't put somebody quick on him.
     
  23. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Maybe, but it's also worth considering that 3 successive 'lucky' wins or 'unlucky' losses may be suggesting something else is at play. 1974-5 taught me that in spades.
     
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  24. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    If you lose or draw but get ‘outplayed’ it generally means your midfield didn’t do well. However it can also mean your forwards were more clinical or your defenders were more effective than the opposition. Too much weight placed on the midfield when appraising performance in my book.
     
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  25. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    These next two games (not including the Cup) will tell us a lot about the side. Birmingham and Preston (both away) are fixtures that are slippery for any side. Preston looked alright so far and Brum have started well overall despite their loss to Cardiff. I do expect to see a change in tact (especially if we go ahead) and not stick 10 men behind the ball. Of course there is always the Troy factor going into the match tomorrow night, and he might be really up for it.
     
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  26. Jon G

    Jon G Academy Graduate

    Tack
     
  27. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Someone mentioned Reading as an example earlier, but last time we went up Swansea were an example of a team getting unsustainable results based on their stats.

    All the forum stattos kept using Swansea’s Xg to highlight their league position wasn’t sustainable and they would eventually fall away, they eventually did fall away, but it took a lot longer than 3 games.

    3 games is absolutely nothing and if our stats stay as they are we won’t maintain our current points record, Swansea and Reading didn’t, I’m not sure why that is so difficult to understand. If it was as simple as looking at the results over three games we could end the league now.
     
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  28. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I agree, and will also add that for us, worst case happens and we lost Sarr and JP at the window closure do we have enough left to maintain a challenge? Obviously other factors creep into it like injuries, suspensions manager sackings. It would also be very interesting to see what we did in the January window - if we were still in the top two or six. Would we stick with what we had and be sensible or buy beyond our means?
     
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  29. Klein Lust

    Klein Lust Uber Keine

    @SkylaRose is there going to be a Shoutbox open for this match tomorrow night?
     
  30. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Only on the condition that everybody promises to wear a Deeney mask for the entire game. :p

    But, yes there will be.
     
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  31. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Maybe but I tend to look at end product is shots/shots on target and just a passing glass at the possessions stats when assessing "outplayed".
    Relative shots is an overall reflection.
     
  32. Klein Lust

    Klein Lust Uber Keine

    Cheers @SkylaRose, reading the shoutbox is much much better than the BBC site.

    Where can I get Deeney mask? I could make one, but I don't think I have enough felt tips.
     
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  33. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Big question is which set of fans will he flick the V’s to though?
     
  34. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    The second part is correct tbf
     
  35. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    No we wouldn't. It would be a completely wasted opportunity. I will disappointed if either go tbh, although if Pedro goes it would be terrible.
     

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