Traitors - Bbc

Discussion in 'Werewolf: The forum game' started by Otter, Dec 15, 2022.

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Who do you wan to win?

Poll closed Dec 20, 2022.
  1. Traitors

    60.0%
  2. Faithfuls

    40.0%
  1. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    What annoyed me about Ross was the way he took on the role, he must have known he was toast at that point anyway, his best chance of survival would have been to reject the offer, then at breakfast tell everyone, it would have been clear it was Harry because he couldn't hide behind the shield. Once he decided to take on the role, he said he wanted revenge on Harry for taking out his mum but why throw Andrew under the spotlight, his parting shot should have been to argue it out with Harry.

    Day 11 spoiler
    I think the last murder was wrong for Andrew, Harry even said he has Molly on his side, well so what? Early in the game that's fine, if I were in Andrew's shoes I'd have insisted on murdering Molly instead of Zack.
     
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  2. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Or he could’ve accepted the offer, but told the group they tried to recruit him and he said no.
     
  3. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    So…
    Mollie was a complete idiot at the end. If she had been able to put the fact that she fancied Harry to one side and use a tiny bit of her brain, she would have realised that a traitor would never have voted to banish at that point so Jaz had to be a faithful. So Jaz was a faithful and Harry was an unknown - would have to vote for Harry rather than Jaz
     
  4. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Exactly that, she had a brain fart.

    So, on the very woke BBC, a young white guy in the Army outsmarts a disabled girl, an Asian guy, a Welshman with a disability, a gay girl and and a black girl. You think that's going to happen again next year?

    Someone got fired for that! No need for me to bother applying.
     
  5. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    She thought they were all faithful, as without the shield plan, there was little reason to think there would be more traitors.

    Yes the best pure gameplay option was to take out your best friend on the show, and you can see she knew that, but felt it was too brutal to cut them out of the money when she thought in all likelihood they were good. If they were good like you thought and you binned them because one man was overly paranoid, I think you’d feel worse than being tricked by them.
     
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  6. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Excellent ending.

    Will leave it a couple of days to allow people to catch up before sharing any specific thoughts.
     
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  7. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    What u have written in your spoiler HH was my exact thoughts too!!!
     
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  8. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Great TV. Made you want to shout at the contestants. Some maddening decisions but overall the last 5 logically were spot on for the ones you would want to close the series.
     
  9. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    I wonder what would have happened had Andrew not turned on Harry?

    I think he knew he was toast, he probably realised that the only realistic option to vote out in the next round would have been Jaz hoping Harry and Mollie would have followed, however I think he knew Harry would turn and his best bet was to hope Mollie and Jaz followed but at that point his chances of winning was about 1%.

    As I pointed out in one of the spoilers last week, Andrew's fate was probably sealed with the last murder. When discussing it, it was between Zack, Jaz or Mollie. Harry wanted Mollie in the game for his own benefit.

    I liked the way Jaz played, very clever and kept his thoughts to himself and only aired when necessary, even Harry was annoyed with himself for keeping him in the game. @HappyHornet24 did say that the less intelligent were kept in on the faithfuls for too long, but if I were a traitor I'd remove the more intelligent as quickly as possible. However Mollie must have seen that Harry was not all he appeared to be, it should have been obvious that Jaz had to be a faithful because there was no reason to throw in a red flame ball if he was a traitor. Because of the vote it meant that no matter what, she would have got half the pot if both Harry and Jaz were faithfuls, but by putting 2 and 2 together she would have been 100% sure in believing Jaz was a faithful because of the red flame, she let lust cloud her judgment and ended up with nothing.
     
  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Jaz undoubtedly played an excellent game to get to the final
    As a faithful you have a huge disadvantage over traitors as your game can be over twice per day, and if you come on too strong regarding your suspicions of actual traitors you’ll be murdered and never get to the final, so he played a blinder in that way respect… but, once in the final, if he truly believed Harry was a traitor then he needed to go all guns blazing for him and to get everyone else onboard. If he genuinely believed Harry was definitely a traitor then there was no possible way he could win the the game or even share the money without getting him out, whilst at the same time by making the final he at that stage had zero to lose. Ultimately up to the final Mollie 100% beloved Harry was a faithful, so it was down to Jaz to prove otherwise and he really didn’t do enough to do that and left if far too late. He had Harry in the ropes with his line of question regarding the conversation with Paul, but at the end Neely said something like “ok mate; just wanted to check” IMO opinion he also messed up when Andrew came to him saying Harry was a traitor, sure enough it made Jaz highly suspicious of Andrew, but he kind of missed the wood for the trees in that it even further implicated Harry. At that stage he had Andrew onside to vote for Harry, so only needed one other person, but he just ignored the opportunity and cited for Andrew. Yes it seems daft for Mollie to vote against Jaz when he threw a red, but Jaz simply hadn’t convinced her enough at this stage that Harry was a traitor, and she would’ve know she was voting out a faithful in Jaz, but the alternative was to vote out someone in Harry who was her friend, and in her mind a faithful, so being wrong about that would’ve been worse for her, hence her choice.

    TL;DR, Jaz was far, far too meek and cautious in the final, when at that stage he had no way of winning without turning everyone in Harry, and he did a terrible job of trying to do that
     
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  11. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    I did wonder if the editing cut out a lot of what Jaz had to say as the ending went very quickly after his red flame.
     
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