The B Word

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    Brexit threatening UK's access to the EU's Horizon research programme. One of the reasons given for the stalled negotiations is the lack of trust following the threats of unilateral action by the UK over the NI protocol.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61644662

    "Failure to secure UK association to Horizon Europe would be a lose-lose for health, wealth and wellbeing and would do a disservice to future generations in Europe and beyond,"
     
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    From the beeb link (my emphasis):

    The last two are a very big threat because these areas are very expensive (it has to be done collaboratively not unilaterally) and they are big earners for UK plc.
     
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    I remember someone on these very boards calling this years ago. Can't remember who it was, but kudos.
     
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    Probably BW, he's across all these techy issues.
     
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    This might seem mental, but it’s exactly how many Brexiteers have behaved from the off. There is no evidence that can make them consider their views, because they have a faith greater than logic.

    You can’t reason with it. It’s why each generation must die before they take the whole species with them.
     
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    Every region in GB now believe it was "wrong for the UK to leave the EU' according to a YouGov poll:

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    I still think it was the right thing. But then, I've never been a knicker wetter.
     
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    I wonder, had we stayed in, whether these figures would have been the other way around?

    I suspect it would have been the case, with the EU's lacklustre COVID responses (remembering they were only forced into action on the vaccine through the sheer humiliation of being second to a non-EU UK).

    We'd also be feeling much of the same cost of living issues, and would have gone through the same supply chain issues, etc..
     
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    Are people waking up to how **** Brexit is? The trend would suggest yes.
     
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    I don't know why opposition parties are so terrified of the "B-word". Looking at this data a substantial majority of under-65s think we were wrong to leave the EU. I know over-65s have a higher propensity to vote, but they are also dying at a quicker rate than the other age groups. In the next GE I will only vote for a party which is proposing the fastest possible economic re-integration with the EU.

    Actually, there is a lot of interesting data in this table. I would love to know who the 7% are who voted remain in the referendum, but now think we were right to leave!
     
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    It's full of the Irish, m8.
     
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    Because it will only feed into the Tories "THEY'RE TRYING TO STEAL YOUR BREXIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" narrative which is a battle in the culture war Labour can't win. You can see this with the effective way the Tories' propaganda machine is dealing with the NI border as an intransigent EU not an incompetent UK for negotiating and signing such an omnishambles of a deal.
     
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    I agree but I think there will be a time when Labour will have to speak out otherwise they will get equal blame for the omnishambles and lose any credibility as a government in waiting that will fix it.

    I think Ellwood may have gone a bit early with his call for a return to the SM but I think it will help his political position in the long-term (say 5 years) to have been the first to speak out.

    Despite the "cream tomorrow" promises there is absolutely no evidence things will get any better. And Johnson etc will not be able to blame Covid, war and the EU forever.
     
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    You're in for a right ear bashing if Jeffrey Donaldson and Co. Read that post
     
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    Except over the DoMiNiOn VoTiNg ScAnDaL of course.
     
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    If I remember rightly, the knicker wetting came from people who objected to me mentioning that story, not my mentioning it.

    So you are wrong, as usual.

    But on the subject, here is a CISA (the government agency that trashed claims against Dominion’s vulnerabilities) report from a few days ago warning administrations of vulnerabilities inherent in Dominion’s machines and software, highlighting exactly the issues that people were complaining of, and which were dismissed as false by people such as yourself, after the last election…

    https://www.cisa.gov/election-security

    Honestly. You couldn’t make it up, could you? But you did.

    Clearly, CISA’s investigations into the claims of vulnerabilities concluded in agreement with the concerns of those who complained about them after the last election.

    Sheeples.
     
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    So that's another one to add to"Trump's a racist", Russiagate, "cops murdered at the Capitol", etc..

    Question is, will you guys ever start complaining about the actual liars, rather than the people who point the lies out to you?

    Or, closer to the point, will you ever figure out that lying about people you disagree with because you think they are dishonest, is, errr... dishonest.

    Any old means to an end I guess. But please stop complaining that the rest of us see through the BS too easily.
     
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    The whole passport thing is just another Brexit lie. I got a new passport last year and it's definitely not blue - it's quite clearly black (and IIRC they are made in the EU?)
     
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    Yes, and there was nothing stopping us having a blue or black passport anyway. Only non-binding EU resolutions referred to passport colours. The actual choice was always an "individual member state competence".

    Indeed Croatia has always kept it's dark blue passport even though it joined the EU in 2013:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-passport-3766834-Dec2017/?amp=1
     
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    You sound like some kind of expert, bringing facts into it. I think we all know how people feel about experts.
     
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    From the FT. As they say, the striking thing is not London but NI. It's the only region with pre pandemic growth outside London thanks to the NIP and it's partial "opt-out" of Brexit:

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    'Red tape.'
     
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    I'm not sure there is much I can add. The AG's advice just seems implausible to me: an international agreement is an international agreement, whatever negative consequences it may give rise to.

    What's fascinating to me is the question of who the senior minister who insisted on getting Eadie involved might be...
     
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