The Premier League - 2020/21 - All Match Discussion In Here

But the club would be worth so little there would be no point in selling. Much more sensible to hold onto it for as long as it takes to get back to the prem.

 

I think Souness was absolutely right. There are 2 issues here, EPL and the Glazers. Yes there’s an element of protest about the EPL but this is mainly being used as an opportunity for fans to protest against the Glazers. Why ? Because they are investing 100s of millions but not quite enough as Citeh so they are no longer the biggest most successful club. And because as owners they are daring to pay themselves a dividend. Bunch of spoilt ****s. Invading the stadium and stopping a PL game from being played because they’d like even richer owners who invest even more than Citeh? Throw the book at them and at their club.

 

Beats me too. Fleck basically stomped on his head. Even if they thought it was a complete accident (it wasn't) it was still dangerous play.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view especially, as this excellent BBC article points out, the original protest against the Glaziers died out in 2013 when Man U started winning again!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56966096

But the financial side is murky and confusing. The owners obviously have no love of football or it's cultural and historical importance. They have taken Man U from a debt free, highly successful on the pitch, organisation to one with a £455m debt and, by their standards, failure on the pitch.

At the same time they have increased the global revenue enormously so, from a purely business point of view, the Glaziers could claim they have done well.

We may have owners that are familiar with dodgy dealings but at least the know and love football.

 

Demonstrate if you're unhappy with the owners, fine. But don't think you have the right to take over the stadium and prevent a live tv game being played because you'd like a new owner. Spoilt ****s !

 

Yep. I feel so sorry for the tv companies and fans across the world who expected to tune in for some prime soccerball action. Just awful for them.

By all means, make your feelings known, but not at the expense of all those fans who want to watch games on tv and send their supporter tweets.

 

You think the fact they'd like their owner to sell means it's fine they storm the stadium and cause the cancellation of a match ? If we'd done that a year ago because we wanted the Pozzos out, we'd have suffered a points deduction at the minimum.

 

Absolutely. I’m 100% fine with it.

Id be fine with any of the fans from the big 6 clubs causing such a cancellation.

Owners like the Glazers, and many of those who own these super clubs are bad for the game as whole.

Fans have been treated like doormats for plenty of years, with constant fixture changes and kickoff times etc being adjusted to optimize international viewing markets.

No issue at all with some making a stand, even if it impacts an all important “live TV game”.

 

Forget the fact it's a live TV game, that's irrelevant.
Forget the fact that fans were legally demonstrating outside against the ESL project, good for them.
This was all about a bunch of young fans taking advantage of the situation to break into the ground and protest against their owners as they're being outspent by Citeh who have overtaken them. Nothing more, nothing less.
If WFC fans broke into the stadium on Saturday, injuring police and causing the game to be postponed, because we'd like a change in ownership because we were being outspent by peers, the book would be thrown at us.

 

Slashing a copper's face with a bottle, injuring another, and smashing TV cameras?

 

Cool, so it was a main point of your original post, and now it’s irrelevant. Also forget anything else that is inconsistent with your original point. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Anybody responsible for violence should be dealt with, but I won’t lose any sleep over some tv cameras and some broken gates.

 

Comes down to whether or not you feel football belongs to the supporters/fans or the rich owners.

The Man Utd. fans are fighting back the only way they can: interfering with the rich owners' ability to make more money. Anything else they can do will be roundly ignored - it's not like they haven't protested before, to zero effect.

They're standing up for something they believe in and more power to them, I reckon. Would be nice to see more clubs' supporters follow suit. We might get some much needed changes then.

 

I wouldn't lose any sleep either, but I don't agree with criminal damage.

 

Read my post at 8.24.
It wasn’t a main point of my original post you ****. I happened to mention they caused the “live TV game” to be cancelled in a later reply, and you assumed that it was the fact that it was on tv that was important. It wasn’t. It was a premier league game that happened to be live on tv but it wouldn’t matter if it was a div 2 games that wasn’t on tv. Fans can’t just decide to invade stadia and cause matches to be cancelled because they’re unhappy with their owners. My point was that if we had done that we would have been penalised, as Man U should be. However they of course won’t be and the media will be terribly sympathetic that their terrible owners have forced their fans to do this.....

 

Are Man Utd being outspent by City over a 5 year sample out of interest? They both seem to make plenty of mega signings and pay mega wages.

 

Probably not, but there must be a reason that MU aren’t #1 and that must be down their owners being no good.....so time to change them.

 

Okay. Please excuse me. It wasn’t part of your original tantrum about these fans having the temerity to protest, but it came part of your tantrum in a later post. That you made note of the fact it was a “live TV game” being cancelled, is evidence of your belief that this was relevant and I applaud you for worrying about the tv companies and foreign tv markets so much. To deny otherwise is ridiculous when you’ve put it there in your own words.

Fair play though, if you’re going to be outraged about the hypothetical punishment we’d get, following hypothetical protests against our owners, I’m not going to stop you.

 

I’d always thought you were ok but it seems you’re a bit of a ****. I mentioned it was a live TV game. That was not the key point. Do you really not understand the point that I was making ? Do you think it’s ok for fans to take over a stadium to stop a game taking place because they want to change the club owners ? A simple question. I don’t, and think the club should be punished and any fans identified, and prosecuted. You think it’s ok, I take it and no further action is correct ? Is that a fair summation ? In which case we can move on.

 

Only one person calling names in this one, but we’ll let that be that.

 

Unlike Utd, they are currently successful and don’t have fans that feel they are entitled to be #1 and to demand regime change if they aren’t.

 

Agree with the last paragraph.
It’s also not as though they’ve not had investment in players over the last 4-5 years. They just can’t stomach being behind Citeh and outspent by their richer owners.

 

Yes sorry about that. I thought you were deliberately missing the point I was making.
Pretty crappy time at the moment with father in law passing away a week ago and I’ve had to have an epidural due to excruciating restricting back pain which shows no end. I’m just not in happy place at the moment so unjustifiably irritable....

 

The perfect punishment that would leave everyone upset.

Ban supporters and live TV from their next 10 home games.

 

I do get both points of the argument above, if Abramovich and Abu Dhabi hadn't ever (been allowed to?) buy their respective clubs then surely Utd would’ve won the league a few more times more recently? It’s not like the Glazers haven’t spent money, they have, but City can always hold them at arms length. That said I’d say their failure to win a title for a while is more down to failings in decision making with managers rather than transfer spending. If they’d appointed either Klopp or Pep themselves they’d have probably won a title.

But if you look at banning ownership like City etc, then that’s where the argument becomes a bit circular. What are the alternatives to the Glazers? Man Utd must be worth at least £5bn, so firstly who has that money, and secondly would be willing to run Utd as a charity rather than as a business?

I do get that the Glazers were the architects of the ESL, and the fans protesting are most likely to be legacy fans that would screwed by it, so I fully understand protesting over that. Aside from that I don’t really get it, the Glazers are entitled to make a profit and they do invest in the playing squad.

 

All good. Apologies for my part in it, and condolences/best wishes for the personal stuff you’re dealing with, both physically and emotionally.

Hopefully our promotion, impending kit release and subsequent relegation provide some welcome distraction.

 

Yes, that's my point. I get the sympathy for the fans demonstrating and I think we are all on their side. I don't get why that sympathy extends to them invading a stadium and causing the ("tv scheduled" ) game to be postponed. They should be fined/have points deducted.

 

Isn't it possible to feel sympathy to the fans' cause and demand Man Utd get a points deduction? Can't we have our cake and eat it?