The wonderful Marina Purkiss' analysis: "Brexit in a nutshell… A farmer tells Mogg his industry has been decimated by Brexit Mogg spends the interview trying to convince him it hasn’t been All from the comfort of his GB News studio, having never run his own bath, let alone a farm."
You have to understand that ALL Brexit was about was leaving the EU, simples. Any subsequent negative impact on anybody’s situation is simply irrelevant remoaner sour grapes. ‘Some of you are going to die Martyrs of course to the freedom I will provide.’
The goal of Brexit was Brexit, and the positives of Brexit was Brexit. The negatives were everything "remoaners" said. Because the world hasn't immediately imploded the negatives are led negative. Brexit has happened so the positives score 100% It's like chopping of your leg to show you can. When you define success as having your leg chopped off, as long as you manage that then the project was a success.
Ha. Has anyone actually listened to that? The interview does not pan out quite how it is described above, and the poor soul was reduced to the usual bunch of remainer platitudes and lost arguments, and at least twice had to respond with 'yeah, but', as well as reluctantly agreeing at one point. A very unconvincing performance from someone who sounds like a 'representative' of farmers, rather than an actual farmer. Faves: 'Brexit hasn't benefitted ag. one aota' - despite export trade being up 15% (to its highest ever) and new lucrative farming of vineyards; and he complained about new checks coming in, which he was then informed were on imports (which, one would assume, will make internal trade a tad more easy). But best of all, he complained that he was no longer able to exploit poorly paid EU workers any more, and had to rely on foeigners from other parts of the world, naming countries with predominantly non-white populations. Now, I would siggest that is racist. But what does everyone else think? I mean. He is being praised for putting Mogg in his place.
Honestly, I sometimes think that Steven Bray could stand in the middle of Parliament Square and shout "I was wrong. Brexit is brilliant" and people on here would hear it as a an elegant soliloquy on the harms that leaving the EU had done to us.
Or, is this racist (complaining that he now has to employ people from non-white countries) europhile desperate to join the current Farmers protests in the EU against what many of them consider to be a war on farmers? Not sure he is entirely aware of the poop-show he wishes for. He just knows that he was on the losing side and wants to vent his anger. Imagine what might happen if he took advantage of the opportunities, rather than complain that he might have to adapt, like farmers have always adapted.
Classic misrepresentation of what he was saying, as one would expect from you. There's nothing racist there at all. He was talking about the additional costs/red tape of bringing in seasonal workers rather than the colour of anyone's skin. His views also echo the overwhelming majority of the farming sector - pop along onto the Farming Forum: (https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?forums/-/list) and tell them how all they need to do is just believe in Brexit and see what responses you get. But of course, you and the likes of Rees-Mogg know more about this than the people that actually live and work in this sector and see the impact on their businesses day in, day out. I know that probably deep down you know this is nonsense and are just doing your usual grandstanding seeing if you can get a bite. Having had cause to speak to a lot of farmers over the last few years, I can tell you that you don't understand the first thing about the effect it's had on the agricultural sector if you genuinely believe what you wrote. And just to demonstrate the lack of critical thinking here, you go straight to "he's probably not even a farmer". Two seconds on Google would show you that's incorrect but that wouldn't even occur to you.
You should have read the forum mate. The Brexit thread has far more push back on remoaners than you get on this forum. In fact, I would say that the view on the forum is far more positive about Brexit than it is negative. But have a read of it yourself, rather than make assumptions because there are a couple of threads on the subject. But thanks for showing me it. Their politics section seems to have far more discussioon of the curremt EU farming poop-show, which this forum doesn't seem to be majoring on. I suspect that the EU policies that have brought about that rebellion would be far more of an issue than Brexit, right now. But, rather than listen to farmers, including few I know personally, you seem to think I should listen to you and some bitter weed that can't get over the fact he was on the loosing side. Yes, he's a farmer. But I do not believe he is as representative of farmers as you say he is, and that is borne out by the forum you linked me to. As for his racism, I am afraid I consider it to be exactly that. How you see it is up to you. But I do not think he needed to mention the non-white countries we now get workers from, when all he had to do was say he cannot get enough workers. Making such a specifically characterised complaint, whilst ruing the absence of exploitable Europeans, very much comes across as old fashioned racism to me. And I am sure that had a tory MP made such an argument, people would be calling for their head. You are merely given greater credability to this comment I made earlier...
If your leg is lodged in the door of a sinking car, and you have a chain saw handy, or if your foot is being destroyed by gangrene, then cutting your leg off may be the optimal thing to do. The Paralympics show that losing a limb is not a disadvantage to a determined and positive person. So why are you so negative negative about amputees? Particularly those who electively had a limb removed because it would threaten their well-being not to do so?
Die from the gonorrhea epidemic I assume It is good to hear you taking the mick out of the remoaner BS that was being spouted. They are the only ones making warnings of mass deaths due to medical shortages.
The problem is you remoaners are too thick to understand the Schr*dinger's cat Theory of Economics. The Brexit benefits have to be there, it's just when you look closely you open pathways to a parallel universe where they all disappear to. ‘It’s all a bit marginal’: claims of Brexit trade perks don’t add up, say firms A business department report trumpeting the four-year benefits of leaving the EU does not match the reality faced by companies
Trade with the EU is up to record levels mate. What is the point you are making? That you didn't like losing the referendum? Because that appears to be the only discernable reason you might have. Sooner people get over it, the better for their health. You don't have to like it, but just try getting in with it.
How are the channel port queues going? Who couldn't celebrate Christmas last year? Who knows anyone affected by a gonorrhea epidemic? How are we doing compared to Germany, France and Italy? Maybe its time to consider that, as much as you detest it happening, Brexit has not been the disaster predicted by remoaners? I am not saying it is all brilliant, though I would use that word to describe the achievement of the primary mission of Brexit: to get out of the EU. Not perfect, I know. But nor was membership of the EU, and they have their own problems right now with right wing extremism, revolting farmers ( ) and growing anti-EU sentiment. Maybe, just maybe, Brexit isn't as bad as you guys said it would be.
Be careful with this one. If this is the case it would supprise me and expected downturn in EU trade until both sides sort their **** out was to be expected and both sides still haven't sorted their **** out yet. The ONS data use "seasonally adjusted" figures until last year. Whislt there is a modest upturn in trend after Brexit (taking out and accounting for the Covid dip), for both import and export i.e. increasing business between, the figures reported are in currency. I can't see if they' have accounted for inflation or f/x rates, or infact applied tarifs which all affect the price paid for stuff. I'd say unless that have a statistic on say something like tonnage shipped, it would be unwise to use it solely to draw a conclusion. Certianly figures are not the disaster many had predicted however.
That is a far more succinct and eloquent way of putting what I said. Unless of course you're putting on a bit of weight.
Those lefties at Goldman Sachs talking Britain down. Why won't they just be more positive about Brexit?! The UK economy has suffered a “significant long-run output cost” from Brexit, new analysis from Goldman Sachs shows. "The UK is in the process of negotiating a number of non-EU trade deals. While new trade agreements could, in principle, help mitigate some of the long-term costs of Brexit, many of the post-Brexit agreements simply rolled over existing agreements and estimates suggest that the benefit from new trade deals is likely to be small. For example, the government estimates that a free trade arrangement with Australia would boost UK GDP by 0.08%. Moreover, the timeline for major new trade deals—including with the US and India—remains unclear."
Well, if there are rabid and rampant Brexit hating activist lefties in charge of the King's bankers, Couts, why should we not assume the same of other major finance corporations? If you didn't take that message on from the Farage affair (remember cheering on the fat cat bankers?) then it is clear you are under the spell. Honestly, the idea that corporate concerns are of a conservative nature is SO 1980s. These corporations act far more like those inside fascist regeims. They will tell you only what is good for them and whatever fluffy idea they have of a world order, using left wing ideas that are simply their method of population control. Cheap labour, and no purpose.
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Yes, that is funny, but what is the conspiracy? They made a record of their authoritarian Brexit hating alternative-opinion aversions that has subsequently been published for general consumption. No tin or gold foil hats required by me, I am sure.
Are you talking to me? I see my post has been removed. If so I was accurately paraphrasing what the esteemed member had actually typed. Is there some complaining going on again? Would that explain why an unnaturally reticent member has started following me, in order to dob me in if I "cross the line"? I followed them back, but seeing as they never post, that seems a bit pointless. Is it possible to prevent a member from following you?
I will point out that you are the only person I have ever followed on this forum and I will now desist. The option is available when you look at a forum member’s profile.
You can take stop following a person but that doesn't mean they stop following you. Putting them on "ignore" will also not prevent this. Only way is to ask the other poster to not follow you anymore, and even then that is down to their own discretion.
Do you honestly think that Goldman Sachs, the investment bank, put out bias propaganda because it's run by a load of baguette living eurolovers? And that's not likely than and investment bank being honest and your opinion being wrong? Is there any organisation that could come out with a report that says Brexit was bad for the regiment that you would accept and not instantly assume the only answer is the whole organisation is run by "lefties"
