Given the unimpressive array of arguments and silly images being posted on here at the moment, I am expecting more declarations of imminent gonorrhoea pandemics any time now. I am already stock piling antibiotics and looking up my Nan’s old bread and spiders web poultis recipe.
An interesting article from a hauliers trade magazine: https://trans.info/en/events-hauliers-275161 It's about "special events" hauliers (e.g. concerts, art expo etc). As the government failed to negotiate a deal for the industry they, in consultation with the DFT, are looking at having joint operations in the EU and GB (not NI) so they have licences to operate in both. It will mean GB companies will have to invest in an EU operation that must employ local drivers and almost all tax generated will go to the EU member state. Another example of making Brexit work that costs British business more time, money and effort to do something they could do freely before.
So once again, the evidence presented is as much, if not more, proof of the opposite of what was intended to be communicated here. I am sure that if you can find a balanced article discussing this research, it will make the same points I do below. Luckily I have some experience in the use of statistics... No surprise then that health was the biggest concern, naturally. But if you accept concerns about health, which will be the predominant issue in most countries, it is fair then to look at what is most important to people after their physical wellbeing. This leaves the economy, which is undeniably affected by the protocol (which no one can deny is an intrinsic part of it) as the most hugely dominant issue. More so even than health was overall. It is futile and insincere for anyone to say they are concerned about the economy but not the protocol. Though I appreciate why republicans would wish not to express concerns about the protocol, despite being concerned about the economy, and why some loyalists would want to highlight their dislike for the protocol more strongly than their concerns for the economy in general. Politics is politics. Good thing is that concerns about the economy, and therefore the protocol, are pretty much equal among all of the groups represented. Anyone who wishes to make the argument that the protocol, comprising post Brexit trade arrangements, has no influence on the economy is welcome to do so. I promise I won't argue on the matter, because anyone who is willing to make such a case has already lost it, based on their own definition, IMHO.
Excellent article, I recommend people read it! It describes a problem that has been identified and which appears is being addressed amicably. Meanwhile, it also makes the peculiar argument that, in a time when we have supply chain issues, we are able to exploit EU drivers, by allowing them to relieve our issues, shared with the EU and the rest of the world, by permitting unlimited deliveries within the UK until April this year. That appears to be Brexit flexibility being used to our advantage. How someone can criticise the Government's handling of the not very impactful supply chain issues, and then also criticise them for an arrangement that permits the exploitation of EU drivers to relieve said problems, I do not know. Or rather, I do know, I just don't understand how they think people will miss their apparent contradictions in thought. I am talking about the article here.
Well Ireland is making Brexit work: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/15/brexit-trade-figures-northern-ireland-republic Trade between Ireland and the 6 counties of Ulster up. Exports to the EU, helped by the super ferries bypassing the GB "land bridge" up. Priti Patel's threat to starve Ireland seems a very very long time ago now.
It's interesting to look back to what voters actually thought at the time of the referendum compared to the revisionist history being spouted now. A popular one is that "us" leavers knew Brexit would cause economic hardship when we voted Leave. Actually..... "More than two thirds (69%) of leavers, by contrast, thought the decision “might make us a bit better or worse off as a country, but there probably isn’t much in it either way”. Another interesting fact that the DUP should of though about is: "Two thirds of those who considered themselves more English than British voted to leave; two thirds of those who considered themselves more British than English voted to remain." Voting Leave was always going to weaken the Union. An independent Scotland and a united Ireland is far more likely now. England first is how most Brexiters think according to this poll. https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
We have regressed to remainer arguments first put out there in 2016, to gas light the public, after losing the referendum. People voted leave to remove ourselves from the rules, extremist depravities, super power ambitions and federalisation of the EU. Not necessarily in that order, not necessarily every one of them. But each of them a valid reason to leave. That things would get worse before they got better, the point referred to by leavers above, was well understood and well discussed. "Our" desires of Brexit (if you are going to speak for all leavers, do not expect me to deny myself the same privilege) were all satisfied by leaving the EU. That remainers wish to gas light leavers, in possibly the most blatant use of the technique, is as much a flagging up of their impotence and need to deflect from having lost a democratic vote they staked their credibility and emotional soul in, as it is an indication of their inability to cope with a world whose realities they are ill equipped to deal with. Six years later, and the same, tired old redundant arguments are still being made. Leavers do not need remainers to tell them what they voted for.
"I think Brexit has been extremely beneficial for the country. I think the evidence that Brexit has caused trade drops is few and far between." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60407234 Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it. Meanwhile, in the real world, Sussex University Trade Policy Observatory found that the UK's trade losses were 178 times more than any gains from new agreements since Brexit.
As Sussex University has said in its reports on Brexit... "As companies gradually become more comfortable with new border requirements being introduced, this initial period of concussion should eventually come to an end." So they appear to agree that we are yet to reach the "it gets better" part of the old addage, but we will get there. Read their reports in whole, and it is clear that despite their undeniable criticisms of last minute implimentations, they also take into account some minor blip know as the International COVID pandemic emergency, which has effected the whole world, and foresee that things will improve. Even the BBC admits that some experts consider COVID may have played a part in these issues. Not the Hornet lefties though. It is a shame that, amongst some remainers, there is an absence of self respect that leads to portrayal of rigorously prepared research and articles as if there is only one dimension to them. It's not lying, but neither is it honesty. Thank you for highlighting this.
More evidence for JRM (and any others that are in denial): https://www.cityam.com/brexit-shave...ear-alone-with-imports-from-eu-also-dropping/ Exports to the EU down a massive 12% in one year whereas exports to the rest of the world is down only 6%. It's very clear what is the Covid related impact to trade and what is being caused by Brexit. And business agrees: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-uk-businesses-exports-bcc-b2016926.html Why do a small number of people (admittedly getting smaller by the day) like JRM keep denying Brexit is damaging the UK economy when it is obviously causing huge and ongoing issues? And why is the biggest anger over Brexit now being vocalised by Brexiters like Ben Habib and June Mummery (both former MEPs) yet they still claim they knew what they were voting for?
In a strong field, Natalie Elphicke is emerging as the thickest current MP. Here she claims the extra checks introduced in her constituency of Dover since Brexit is actually a good thing: https://www.indy100.com/politics/brexit-benefits-dover-natalie-elphicke "Here in Dover and Deal we've already been benefiting from the so-called Brexit dividend. "We've had £100m invested in our border facilities here, it's going to bring with it 650 extra jobs." Some of these jobs are needed to implement post-Brexit border checks, aka checks that would not have been necessary if we had remained in the EU."
Yet again, an article presented as a negative dig turns out to be a positive. The research, most certainly, is intended to improve Brexit in the belief that it can work. Did you read the BCC article? I suspect not, because they too appear to be among the 'small number' of people who believe Brexit can work, and who are willing to play a part in helping it do so. It is not at all the article you represent it to be, and frankly, your misrepresentation of it as a negative criticism, rather than a critical recommendation, is yet another example of project fear. Given your interpretation of this VERY positive article, any pretence you have of being neutral on Brexit can no longer be taken seriously. That is not an attack. It is an observation. It is not a hit peace. It is a survey asking for positives and negatives, and there are some excellent positives, and it does not wallow on the remainer 'Oh no, this is terrible' but discusses the negatives from a 'how can we improve on this' way, and basically does exactly what Mogg has been asking the nation to do: Tell him what they need to make Brexit work. If you had understood the purpose of this article, rather than picked out the 'negatives' from it, you would have realised that is a remainer's worst nightmare. It is a project designed with the intention of getting to the 'better' that comes after the 'worse'. It is intended to make Brexit work. Thank you for finding it and sharing it. The BCC document is a very positive piece of reserch, culminating in five recommendations for solutions to the issues that businesses are having, none of which involve joining the EU, and all of which it regards as being effective.
Six years on and still not a single tangible benefit, and sackloads of damage. Still, nice of you to come and argue your case so eloquently.
Six years on, and still the only measure of success or failure you are applying to Brexit is whether or not it has enriched you personally. Making left wing arguments whilst complaining that the only thing you are worried about are your capitalist sensibilities seems like a rather contradictory stance to take. Even if the only benefit was the hundreds of thousands of lives either saved or positively affected, in Europe and around the world, by our vaccine policy, Brexit was worth it. Even if the only benefit was distancing ourselves from extreme left and right wing EU politics, Brexit was worth it. Even if not having to contribute billions to the 18 Century children's game of intrigue, being played out by LARPers in Brussells and Strasburg, was the only Benefit, Brexit was worth it. Even if remainers wondering why Brexit hasn't made them richer is the only tangible negative, and boy is it tangible, Brexit was worth it. Why are remainers so upset about not getting the Brexit they didn't vote for?
The only way Brexit can work for farmers, if by work we mean they remain competitive, is for them to be able to lower our food standards to the very lowest in any country we do a deal with: "She will criticise “contradictory Government policies” that are raising the bar for environmental standards at home but pursuing trade deals which support lower standards overseas, as well as making it difficult to find workers to harvest or process domestic food, and failing to prioritise resources to open up new export markets." https://www.cityam.com/farmers-in-c...-meat-thrown-away-due-to-brexit-and-pandemic/ But as the the lead (only?!) Brexit economist Professor Patrick Minford said "like coal and steel, manufacturing and farming in the UK would no longer make sense and cease to operate" in a post Brexit UK, we can't say we weren't warned.
And anyone wondering why Brexit is causing so many problems for farming need to read this: https://www.ft.com/content/cb67f505...d178a#myft:notification:instant-email:content In summary, there is a massive shortage of vets as the perfect storm of more Brexit paperwork/checks and EU vets leaving has hit hard. Whatever your thoughts on Brexit, this must make you question why the government didn't prepare for this. They were warned by the industry that this would happen but have done nothing in the last 5+ years to mitigate the impacts and now the industry is struggling.
In addition while costs are soaring competition is increasingly from countries whose Governments heavily subsidise production. Nice for Tate and Lyle to get cheaper beet from Brazil, but not good for UK growers who get less than they did leading to some quitting production altogether. Consumer benefits? No one has seen them.
Lol, the arguing the case bit was all done 6 years ago. Did you miss it ? Not much to argue about it's done. Read that line again and move on. I'll give a quick synopsis, a load of people threw their toys out of their pram when a democratic vote didnt go the way they wished. They spent a lot of time crying (literally) and searching the internet for any crumb of doom and gloom to try and beat the rest of the population with that they were infact right and the rest were * wrong/lied too/changed their minds now/ didnt care * (delete as appropriate to you) . Eventually everything got back to normal and so they started worrying about and searching the internet for doom and gloom about something new called Covid, this rightly was a worry as it was life threatening and current, but some just couldn't let go and are still sitting in a darkened room crying and searching the internet for any new doom and gloom to beat the rest with and also hoping that the country fails, so they can point their finger and say "Told You !!" Whereas some of us, don't worry about what the clever internet guy says. We don't need someone searching for and still posting doom and gloom 6 years on, we use our own eyes to see, that on the whole not much has changed, we can and have gone abroad, we still have jobs, we can buy a kilo (or a pound) of French Golden delicious and smoke around in a racey little German number. I own a small business, I still employ Eastern Europeans along with British, we have had the best 4 years we have ever had, business has been booming. With turn over up every year since Brexit and consequently the amount of people we employ. We are just about to start a project for a major hotel group, so they are still building and not worrying either. There is a slight concern for Q2 and Q3 this year but that is more down to our industry and the pricing side closing down when Covid hit and there was always going to be a lag, but we already have full order books from November all the way through next year. If you stop trying to prove you were right and everyone else was wrong and put a bit of that effort into cracking on with the one life you get, you might just find, you get out what you put in, you need to be adaptable but there is a life out there for you as well, and everyone elses vote that wasnt the same as yours doesn't determine your life. Eloquent enough ?
Presumably when you were complaining about the EU before Brexit you were ‘cracking on with the one life you get’? Well it’s perfectly possible to others complain about the monumental flop that is Brexit and get on with their lives at the same time. What would strengthen your point is being able to indicate where it’s going well for others, the millions using foodbanks for example or what else could be done. Patronising others and telling them vaguely to ‘get on with it’ (like we haven’t heard that before) convinces no one.
Yeah, if "I'm Alright Jack" could be stretched to 1000 words this would be it. Keeps you busy I suppose.
And always droning on about the woes of the world, the negatives and blaming a democratic vote from 6 years ago, that didnt agree with your ideology, isn't convincing anyone either. Don't bother getting on with it then, just sit there wallowing in misery.
So your life was once great and since Brexit it's now sh-ite. And that's everyone's fault who voted for it, not yours. My heart bleeds. I'll light a candle for you at Church on Sunday.
You do realise political dissent is part of a democracy too don't you? Perhaps you need to have a word with the likes of Farage, Mummery and Habib who, despite being Brexiters, are droning on more than most about the woes of Brexit. But ultimately Brexit has happened. Pointing out the problems it is causing is getting on with Brexit as, if they are not highlighted, they cannot be mitigated. Of course burying your head in the sand and ignoring the actual facts is another option.
Haven't heard from Farage for about 3/4 years, don't know who Mummery or Habib are. My life is no worse for not knowing of them, unless one can put the ball in the onion bag 20 times between now and May. Not on Twitter or Facebook. Don't read newspapers. Not as obsessed as some on here about something that's done. I don't recognise the daily downbeat stories I see on here. I would guess the people who want to find articles about how bad Brexit is, will actively search for them and no doubt find them. And I guess their life's are no different today than they were 5 years ago, but that doesn't suit their personal agenda. I look around me and I don't see anything different than before Brexit so quite frankly I don't give a toot what Nigel or the other two reprobates say, only a few years ago Nige was hated and shouted down now he suits the agenda so his views are now current again and taken as Facts. It's all a load of B 0ll0cks. You keep your politics and I'll get on with what I see around me and make as best a fist of it as I can, without bothering you.
Well my business operating cycling tours in Europe has been pretty much hamstrung. My staff who could work in any EU country (having had to get French residency to work at all) can now only work in France - we've just had to pass up a very lucrative Spanish tour. I have to get a visa to work for my own company. And a mate of mine who imports seeds from the continent is ****ed. Has your business 'never been better' because of brexit? If so please explain how. In the meantime thank you for your sympathy. You can stick it up your arse and then **** off.
So you don't know anything about anything really, but you're ok so **** em all. You might be better suited to Millwall.
You haven't heard about 40,000 pigs being needlessly culled and incinerated because all the EU based pork butchers have gone home, with another 200,000 backed up awaiting the same fate? And a corresponding increase of pork imports from the EU? I guess not because as long as you get your sausages, eh?
