The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Don't get me wrong, I am pro metric.

    But is this post saying it's always been OK, or is it pointing out that the EU made a law that forbade us from using any weights and measures, unless it was as a translation of the only units permitted by the EU?

    Sounds almost sinister, like the nazis allowing people to have whatever picture they want on the back of their t shirt, provided it had a bigger picture of Mr Hilter on the front.

    I would have been happier if we had simply decided to put metric weights and measures on products because that is what people wanted, rather than because the EU told us we had to. If it had happened that, organic way, there would be no talk of going back now
     
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  2. DUP Creationist head-the-ball Edwin Poots has unilaterally suspended sea border checks putting UK in breach of treaty.

    Trade war incoming.
     
  3. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    This is the dangerous death throes of the DUP.

    They would relish a trade war with the EU. They want a border on the island of Ireland. They want the troubles to return.

    Their support is based on fear, instability and poverty. Peace doesn't work for them. They need a conflict to drive their old supporters back to them.

    Brexit and the NIP was always seen by them as a way to bring down the GFA and return the 6 counties back to the golden era in their eyes of the troubles.

    Hopefully more sensible heads will prevail.
     
  4. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    That seems like a rather complex way to say that Unionists wish to remain a full part of the United Kingdom and are concerned that their position is being eroded by initiatives they are otherwise unable to participate in.

    One thing this explanation does highlight in extreme focus is that when things go against them, the DUP has played a part in the peaceful application of the GFA, and have given the EU a very good and long chance to work on a compromise, which the Europeans always knew they had committed to by signing an agreement that included protection of Unionist rights enshrined in the GFA.

    Reneging on that integral understanding, and relying on the threat of Republican violence to suppress Unionist concerns, as is done explicitly in the post above, is very typical of the EU. It sounds reasonable on the surface, but it completely ignores the EU’s deliberate belligerence, and that there are two sides with very strong views in this story.

    It implies that Republican violence is justified by erosion of their rights, whilst suggesting that unionists protecting their rights is unjustifiable provocation.
     
  5. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    It will be interesting to see what happens now.

    I don't think it is a coincidence that this has come just a few days after Truss went to NI and spoke with the DUP and unionist terrorists behind closed doors. This will serve as a massive dead cat while feeding the ERG anti EU zealots within the Tory party.

    Also Poots has failed to get a safe seat for the DUP for the May elections so is struggling to stay relevant.

    The bottom line is that while moderate unionists supported the GFA. The DUP didn't. They want a border in the island of Ireland. They don't speak for the majority in the North of Ireland. They only got around 20% of the electorate voting for them at the last election.

    I think the EU will continue to be patient. They know being confrontational will only help the anti EU supporters. They will continue to offer concessions and look for solutions while the UK government and DUP try to avoid the commitments in the NIP they freely negotiated and signed into UK law.

    For now the EU can afford to allow the flow of goods to go unchecked. Only when GB diverges from EU standards will it be a problem. That is probably months/years away. By then this government will hopefully be gone and the DUP will be even more irrelevant.

    I don't think the trade war is incoming....yet.
     
  6. Apparently Truss told the DUP that if they did this, UK govt would stand aside.
     
  7. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The Tories need a distraction. A trade war with the EU preferable to a real one with Russia.
     
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  8. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Yes, that's what I was implying. The government don't want to trigger article 16 because the international blame would be squarely on their shoulders. This will satisfy the anti EU trolls without the government being directly to blame.
     
  9. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    And here is absolute proof of the EU's intransigence and belligerence.

    Can't possibly compromise or negotiate, but here we have something that is cause for a trade war, yet it doesn't matter because, as many a Brexiteer has been saying for about six years, our standards remain the same and we can negotiate when the need arises.

    It is interesting to now hear our own arguments being used As reasons for the EU not be be concerned, and to compromise, despite them having been our basis for compromise since the start. Imagine if they had agreed to such an arrangement, rather than force the DUP's hand, and end up with the same result anyway.

    So. If this new compromise, brought about through a lack of negotiation rather than co-operation, is OK now, why wouldn't the EU agree to it earlier?

    Because they are playing political power games that risk tensions in Ireland, but it is OK, because those tensions play into EU hands.

    Glad to be separated from that rather unpleasant bunch of 19 Century empire builders.
     
  10. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  12. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    DUP are even more irrelevant than I thought. Checks on GB to NI goods still happening despite Poots ordering them to stop.

    There is a very good chance that, in the May elections, they will lose their largest party status and will no longer choose the First Minister.
     
  13. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    TBF looking at the charts in this, none of the political parties (or leaders) appear to be representative of the people of NI...
     
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    sydney_horn Squad Player

  15. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

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  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  17. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    This is the bitterest remoaner twitter post I have seen in months.

    Thank you. I was beginning to think those guys had gotten over it. Long may that day be delayed, and long may their nights be smitten by dreams of having lost a democratic vote.
     
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  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

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  19. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Idiots have landed no big trade deals and don’t even know what they want to do with Brexit.

    Unless this is asking Sun readers for their permission to rip up the few employment and housing rights they have.
     
  22. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    If only people could have seen this coming.
     
  23. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    ‘Leading’ Brexiteer James Dyson flying the flag for a Global Britain that exploits the Third World. And before people argue that this was his supply chain, not Dyson itself, the due diligence is down to Dyson. They should know that most employees were migrants, easily exploited and dismissed.

    Brings shame on our Country.

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    https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1491849514956857355?s=21
     
  24. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Yep. Remoaners are heading towards the end of the road. He may as well have stood there and cried into his beer. Clearly a sing of a dinosaur in its death throes.

    Bendy bananas? Was just a media moan back in the eighties. Just goes to prove the old addage about boomer lefties finding themselves irrelevent and out of time in the 21 Century. It's the best they've got, and they are clearly bitter about it.

    Obsessed with Sun headlines from four decades ago, and some utter BS they had to make up about a gonorrhoea epidemic. Remoaners and their gonorrhoea and bananas.

    Irrelevent. Totally and utterly. But good luck to the guy. He's still getting paid for those gags, and some people are still enjoying them.
     
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  25. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    You get arrested and thrown in jail these days just for saying you’re English.
     
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  26. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    This post contains some rather unpleasant and frankly outrageous language.

    Why use such derogatory and patronising language with regard to Malaysia? There is no need to insult an entire country, particularly when no one else is describing it so, simply to make a case against a Brexit supporter.

    Malaysia is not a third world country. Firstly, the use of 'third world', in these enlightened progressive times, is now considered to be offensive and condescending, and secondly, modern Malaysia would not have been considered 'third world' anyway. It is considered to be an above average developed country with aspirations to develop further, apparently ranked 55 in the world out of 157 countries, and as such, even in the rather unpleasant, patronising and outdated language of half a century ago, would not be considered to be a third world country. Consider the fact that it has laws and courts that will prosecute businesses that treat workers poorly. Describing developing countries as 'third world' is not desirable these days, and the fact that it still happens among left wing circles, demonstrates that the progressive left are still stuck in pre-war concepts of what 'other', non-western, countries are and their place in the scheme of things.

    You would not find this on the right. Johnson, and the Conservatives, would never have referred to Malaysia as a 'third world' country, and that is a fact. It is a shame that such views are reflected here on the forum, and I wish people would stop expressing them.

    Also, how does it bring shame on our country? As even the image posted above says, it is currently only alleged.

    Sadly, it is typical of the left to make hay whilst the sun shines, and in this case, the chance of Dyson not having strict service agreements with its suppliers is ludicrously slim, and so the sun is un-likely to be shining for long.

    If Dyson have an audit trail of contracts and inspections that show they require their business partners to deal ethically with staff, and that the offending business gave credible assurance and demonstrated, under inspection, that they would do so, then Dyson have little to fear. They will be seen lawfully as having done everything they could to ensure fair treatment of workers.

    The workers are right to go for Dyson (they may well be culpable), but their suit will include their direct employer, and it is VERY unlikely that Dyson will be held responsible for poor treatment by a supplier, IF they have sought legal reassurances from them and have inspected their practices according to law. The assumption of their guilt seems an extremely long shot.

    This is why it is always best to await a judgement, unless of course you hope to make a point, in the hope that no-one is interested in the truth of the matter.
     
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  27. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Well, tell JRM and he'll get rid of that hated EU Law (JRM'S plea to Sun readers):

     
  28. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Tell me Jacob, what first attracted you to the nationalists and bigots who read the Sun?

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  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    True this and the biased MSM never reports it.
     
  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Based on interviews taken Aug-Sept 2021; a very different time.
     
  32. Are you sure?
     
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  33. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’m not sure that there are many living Sun readers who are former Labour voters. It’s possible a few Maggie fans voted for Blair, but the separation of Labour from its Nationalist vote took place more than 50 years ago. Alf Garnett was its popular representation. The Falklands, the Sun’s support for Maggie and Major, its racism, sexism, homophobia and Hillsborough have made it untouchable for most Labour voters for more than 40 years.

    A lot of these theories about Labour and the WC vote see the WC as homogeneous white man in a white van, but a majority of people across all classes would never touch the Sun.
     
  34. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    No but if you cross out ‘British’ on a form and write ‘White English’ they’ll send it back to you.
     
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  35. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Shirley, not all forms?
     

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