Pre-season

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Markoa$, May 25, 2022.

  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Clean sheet and vital point there.

    Just need to find a goal .
     
  2. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Thoughts on 2nd half;

    Good

    Only a friendly but kept a Prem team at arms length
    Asprilla has got a bit of magic about him
    Thought Bayo looked ok in his cameo - should have scored though.

    Not so good

    CM still looked average at best
    Still need Kamara on the left - glad we’re signing a new RWB

    Overall - well drilled, good levels of fitness, some good performances. We need Louza back ASAP and stay fit all season. Need Pedro behind 2 decent strikers.
     
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  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Decent result that. Bayo could of won it at the death but a draw was fair. I thought we might get tonked but we stood up well and actually started very brightly. Of course changes happen and the match level drops off but overall we know a few more things going into the new season.

    * Sema is turd and cannot control a ball
    * Dennis looks like he will commit (even if it's short term)
    *We need a new RWB ASAP
    *Cathcart continues to pass to the crowd
    *Pedro is still very hit and miss but puts effort in

    Really unsure on the Sarr situation but have to go by what we know I guess.
     
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  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    One more point to the ‘we’ll catch Brentford’ fund.
     
  5. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I’d love to think so but can’t see that type of thing being even vaguely possible!
     
  6. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    As wtih against Panathinaikos, we looked pretty solid and energetic, but missing our shotting boots. We can't 0-0 our way to promotion.

    Cathcart was so wasteful on the ball - it would be good to sign an upgrade if we're losing Samir. Sierralta looked very good and as if he hadn't missed a beat from the last Champ season, which was pleasing. Kabs seemed decent defensively but also a bit wasteful on the ball (though not as bad as Cathcart).

    Sema seemed one of our sharpest playe, if we do sign a replacement RWB as Giaretta's comments have suggested then it'll almost be harsh having him on the bench when on form. Kamara isn't a RWB, did well to get to the byline a couple of times but then couldn't pass with his right foot.

    Kayembe did pretty well, he'll be good in the Champ. TDB also did alright, though got outfought a bit too often perhaps.

    JP typical performance, some silky skills but poor decision making or execution at times with the final ball. Manaj seemed a nuisance and had our best chance of the first half which was going in if not for Bednarek's block.
    Dennis was surprisingly lacking more in quality than effort. Was too over-exuberant at times and gave away some stupid free-kicks. Did briefly come alive in front of goal once in the secnod half though and forced a good block.

    Not quite sure why some above are getting so enthused about Asprilla, we lost control of the game after he came on and he hardly had a touch for the first 20 minutes. He had a couple of decent moments but a bit too much on the periphery, unsurprisingly. He seems a good prospect but will need to be used wisely.
    Bayo looked quick and did well to help set up the Dennis chance. Could have done better with the finish when he had his own chance from our set-piece.
     
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  7. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    How comes? He doesn't seem to be top of anyone's list. I think he may go as a panic signing towards the end of the window but if someone really wanted him, I don't think the fee would be much of an issue OR we would've heard more than we have so far.
     
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  8. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I agree with this. He's got plenty of time on his contract too. Seems very plausible to me
     
  9. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    I'm quite encouraged after seeing that, we look organised and you can see an identity being created by Edwards. Far from the finished product but I can see some good signs, I just hope we give him the squad he needs.
     
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  10. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    And the time.
     
  11. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    In fairness to TDB, Southampton had a couple of midfielders physicaly bigger than what hes likely to face in the championship .That number 45 seemed huge on the stream.
     
  12. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I was quite enjoying myself until the goons behind the goal started the "we've got the ball..etc" chant and all the feelings of loathing I had for the team and elements of our support for much of last season came flooding back.
     
  13. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    I think the biggest plus of today was that we looked well-coached and played with purpose and energy. The players are clearly getting used to the new formation and the new methods. Good to see. Good too not to have any obvious injuries. The result isn’t important and nobody will remember it come Monday week, but I guess it’s good not to get thumped and lose confidence.

    There’s certain to be player moment and sadly an injury or two and maybe ever covid before our opening match. I would say probably 6-7 of today’s starting line-up would look a good bet to start on Monday week. Samir’s potential move back to Italy is a blow, Gaspo’s arrival a real bonus and we wait to see what other comings or comings there are. Rumours about Sarr and Dennis will probably continue for a few weeks yet and uncertainty too about any PL loans coming our way. But I think we saw today and last weekend that we have the base of a fairly decent side coming together.

    Goals still look an issue. Sad that neither new forward has managed to score in pre-season. I know friendlies don’t really matter that much but still it would have done both good I think to have got off the mark. But strange things can happen on opening days as we’ve seen the last two seasons. Who’d have predicted Cathcart winning us the Boro match of us leading Villa 3-0? Over the coming days and weeks I’m sure players will surprise us in good ways and sadly a few will disappoint.

    I’m quite looking forward.
     
  14. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    I know it won't ever change and I'll have to suck it up, but I am lost as to the purpose of that third CB. Sierralta was heading everything away on his own while we looked desperately short in midfield. Kabasele and Cathcart can't pass. Gaspar is most definitely not a wing back either, he's a defensive full back. Surely you should fit the formation to the players, not the other way around - clear for all to see when Xisco made that change against Bristol.
     
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  15. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yep. Certainly seems like there is a plan and purpose which is great to see. As for our prospects it feels like everything hinges on keeping one of Sarr or Dennis. Don’t think we will score enough without one of them.
     
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  16. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Agreed. Think midfield is the weak point but Asprilla has some real hallmarks or being the real deal.

    I just f*cking love centre midfielders (and wingers) who’s first thought is to carry the ball beyond their marker.
     
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  17. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Sarr was watching today. I noticed him walking round the pitch when a middle aged kidult near me practically wet his pants trying to get a selfie with him
     
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  18. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Sorry - should have elaborated. It was the ‘someone’s has told him he’ll be here until the end of August’ comment that triggered my reply.

    I don’t see how such a promise could be made that’s all.

    I don’t think he did enough last season for anyone to really want him and banish their doubts about his character. One of those factors maybe - but not both - and not at £20m+

    But bids can come in at any point when clubs become desperate etc - I don’t see how the assurance can be given to Edwards over timeframes of certain departures.
     
  19. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I really fear this is going to be an ongoing thing. Ucko etc leading the charge about how ‘class’ it was at the time.
     
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  20. ThePaperBoy

    ThePaperBoy No Longer Delivering

    An update on my earlier reply;

    The u21s were down to play West Brom's PL2 side today but it may have been 2x 45min halves, 1 against a West Brom PL2 side and 1 against a Hertha Berlin XI.

    Hertha won 1-0 against WBA and 4-0 (I think, they definitely scored 4) against us.

    WBA & Hertha 1st XI's later played a 90 minute friendly with the Baggies winning 2-1. Dodi Lukebakio played for Hertha.
     
  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Sorry but Gaspar isn’t a defensive full-back. I’m not saying he’s Trent Alexander-Arnold - or even Kiko in attacking terms. But he’s decent going forward and simply isn’t a stay at home FB.
     
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  22. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I have been following Watford for many years and even during the leanest times never really seriously considered chucking it in. But if this chant and the 'we're f.. Ing s.. T' and 'how s**t must you be it's only one nil' continues I will find something else to do on Saturday afternoon
     
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  23. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    I have no views on this match as I have not seen it, but if the new head coach is imposing a new style of play - I hope people do not get upset if it’s still work in progress after 8 games - got to give him to the World Cup break if by then we are in striking distance of the top 2 that would be a good start imho
     
  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Oh no. Has all the hallmarks of going on all season. Funny once. Then deeply irritating ever after.
     
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  25. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Agree. Time to give a coach time to build something.
     
  26. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    A positive performance against a decent PL side, and a thread full of positive comments, good stuff!

    Well, mostly positive comments...
     
  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Another valuable point.
    a clean sheet.
    2 dropped points.
    no goals.
     
  28. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    You can and you will.
     
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  29. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

     
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  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    haha of course
     
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  31. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Ok so…

    After 5 pre-season matches are now complete, who do you think could be sent out on loan before the window shuts?

    Based on their lack of minutes so far, I’d say Baah (though I hope he stays) and Metube. How about Pollock or a surprise such as Quina or Ngakia? I’m thinking back to last season when a few players we thought might stay with us were loaned out.
     
  32. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    He was massive in the flesh . Looked more like a heavyweight boxer than a footballer.

    Also not sure if it came across on the stream but JP has bulked up massively ( in a good way ) looks a proper no 9 now .
     
  33. ThePaperBoy

    ThePaperBoy No Longer Delivering

    One of my highlights of the 1st-half was watching Sema chugging after a ball played in behind Southampton's defence.

    He looked like Stephenson's Rocket going downhill with a strong tailwind. Bits of him could be heard rattling and for a split-second I thought his head was going to come loose such was the vigorous 'pecking' movement his neck was managing. I swear a gentleman's top-hat was dislodged from the amount of vibrations his slapping feet were making on the pitch.

    He's never a ******* wing-back.
     
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  34. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Yeah , I don’t mind a bit of gallows humour but the humour in those gags has a very short shelf life . Hopefully winning games will put all that to bed .
     
  35. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I enjoyed that. Good workout against a strong Southampton side. Rarely troubled at the back and we were the team most likely to score.

    It’s clear Edwards has got them working hard. There were a couple of moments where I thought Southampton were in only for the danger being sniffed out by a covering player. That hard working ethic was great to see.

    Looks like Bachmann is going to be the number one. Doesn’t surprise me, as I think he’s a lot more agile than Okoye.

    Really pleased seeing Dennis out there and taking it seriously. Asprilla is going to be a real player for us. I wanted to see how he did against a physically strong team and he competed well. He has a real confidence about him and I was impressed. Did brilliantly well to out jump two defenders to flick on giving Dennis his best chance of the match.

    Overall a lot of positives. Nice to see Wealdstone’s ground, as I’ve never been there before. Nice and warm, cheap beer. What’s not to like. Good day out.
     
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