Joao Pedro

Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by nornironhorn, Dec 19, 2019.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    In reality I’d say it’s a group decision. Coach, physio and player have to decide (and possibly video analyst if there’s enough time to rewind the tape to and get word to the bench about what happened).
  2. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Suspected ankle ligament injury says Bilic. Sigh.
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  3. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Probably Grade 2 if involves ligaments? So 4-6 weeks then.
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  4. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Terrible for him.
    Worse for us.
    Sell him now I'd say for humanitarian reasons.
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  5. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Can we sell injured players? Not totally sure on the rules around that, say if a big offer came in from a PL club or whoever and it was a serious bid?
  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    We could sell a player with no legs or arms if we wanted and the buying club was crazy enough to go ahead.
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  7. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

  8. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Don't immediately see how we're even supposed to claim we can compete in games without JP, let alone have any chance of winning enough of them to remain in the playoff race. It's pretty devastating news whatever the time out, but if it's anything other than a couple of weeks (as heavily suggested here) it's a hammer blow.
  9. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Sounds out for at least 3 months if it’s ligament. Season done if so.
  10. Gromit

    Gromit Academy Graduate

    One of the few players I have any genuine warmth towards. I'm more gutted for him than I am for us.
  11. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

  12. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    JP was clearly desperate to stay here beyond the Jan transfer window - well done JP!
  13. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Very bad news for him.
    Best wishes for a full recovery JP.
    For us I think the phrase rhymes with " clucking bell".
  14. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Definitely more severe than a Grade 1 tear so not 1-2 weeks, Grade 2 is if it's moderate / heavily damage to ligament which is 4-6 weeks. Grade 3 is full tear / bone damage then that's 3+ months. Don't get impression it's a full tear so hopefully only the 4-6 weeks.
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  15. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    What are you basing your opinion on the severity/Grade of tear on?!
  16. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

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  17. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

  18. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Based on him not saying it isn't a full tear but ligament damage. Nobody knows until there's an official statement or Leventhal / Wobby report. Could be I'm wrong but we can only base on what's said and he hasn't said it's a tear, yet.
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2022
  19. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Udinese gave us 16mill for a player with no brain, so it can be done.
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  20. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

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  22. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Choudhury - ligament injury, sent back on, out for 6 weeks.

    JP - ligament injury, sent back on, out for 8 weeks.

    Pretty scandalous from the medical department and seriously needs dealing with. Obviously they can't do anything about the initial injury but both players received a good five minutes of treatment and broke down again within minutes of being back on the pitch. It's clear the initial assessment from the medical staff isn't good enough.
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  23. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Whilst I somewhat agree, a standard doctors appointment lasts more than 5 mins and then a rough diagnosis is given. I think it’s a bit harsh to expect a physiotherapist to make a snap call about a player definitely not being able to continue when it’s an invisible injury such as ligament damage. I very much doubt a player is forced to play on against their will and it’s very likely both players wanted to try and see if they could carry on.

    I think the anger being shown at those allowing players to try and play on is a bit much really.
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  24. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

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  25. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    But what player is going to come off? Definitely not those two players! It's up to the medical department to look after these players and they've failed twice in quick succession.
  26. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    As I said, I somewhat agree with you. I just think the depth of criticism is going a bit far. It's not really that 'scandalous' really. Just a couple of poor calls regarding players that were important to us to keep on if possible.
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  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Looked like they tried to bandage both up and hope for the best really !
  28. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Probably a decision borne out of absolute fear about who else to bring on with such rubbish squad depth!
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  29. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I'd assume them stating 6-8 weeks out would include the time to regain fitness - time being unable to play due to regaining fitness is still time out.
  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Plus part of the diagnosis process when it’s borderline surely involves whether they can play on or not. It’s a key indicator of the severity of an invisible injury and I’m sure they tell the player not to go heavy on it and start twisting, sprinting etc immediately.

    I could understand some frustration/anger if there was evidence either Choudhury or Pedro re-entering the pitch for a short while caused any extra harm (a bit like the TDB injury at Reading under Ivic) but there’s literally nothing like that. They trotted back on, earned Bilic time to sort out a replacement and then went off again. To me this it’s a nothingburger. Do we really want the physios to be so risk averse that every knock leads to us subbing players off? I doubt any of our many head coaches in recent years would want that…
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2022
  31. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Bilic himself has said he was happy with them trying to play on...

    “The light is there, but for now we have to survive and pick up the points we need, which isn’t easy. What I like is the attitude of the guys - which we saw with Choudhury and João Pedro attempting to play on when they were injured."
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  32. BeersThen

    BeersThen Reservist

    Cleverley was supposed to be out for a few weeks back in August. Based on our record, Pedro's 6-8 weeks likely to be 6-8 months.
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  33. Vic

    Vic First Year Pro

    Pedro went back on the pitch, hobbled about gingerly for 1 or 2 minutes and sat down. I think that was all part of the assessment process. It might seem like a primitive way to work, but pain analysis is key to diagnosis. I don’t think it is scandalous to allow a player back onto the pitch, unless he is told to play through the pain and ignore what his body is telling him.
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  34. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    I know you're not going to change your opinion – and that's fine – but this really isn't how it works. As @VictoryRoad says part of the diagnostic process is often to walk on it, jog on it, try turning. They weren't sent back into action and told they had to play on no matter what.

    Bottom line is, it's not always easy to assess the severity of an injury without doing a full examination. A scan is always required to assess the extent of a ligament injury anyway. Expecting the medical staff to be able diagnose ligament injuries without an ultrasound or MRI is pretty unreasonable. If they could see through skin and muscle why bother with expensive scanning equipment?

    Your gripe really only stands up if Choudhury's time out of action has suddenly leapt from two weeks to six weeks as a result of hobbling about for a couple of minutes, but it just won't have had any significant impact. Likewise JP – it's not like if he'd been carried off down the tunnel immediately he'd be back in a fortnight but now he tried to run on it he's out for eight weeks out.

    I know we're all looking for signs of incompetence and people to blame and it's frustrating that two of our best performers are now out until the spring but this really is the reddest of red herrings.
  35. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    You're right about the first part, I'm a stubborn g!t! It was clear that Choudhury and JP couldn't even put pressure on the leg, in fact JP looked like he could barely stand up when he came back on. I understand they are vital players for us but there is a point where a player can no longer continue and from where I was sitting neither of them should have returned. I think I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with a lot of people on this one...

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