I,i,i,i,fwah, Fwah, Fwah It’s The Tories

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    You don't wake up one morning and think "oh I'm now a socialist and everything i have said and done as a Tory has gone"

    Ultimately his a Tory who has a gripe about the NHS

    There are 68 million other Brits who have a gripe about the NHS too.
     
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  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It should be pretty clear that being a socialist is not a requirement of Keir Starmer’s Labour. Its tanks are firmly on the lawn of ‘One Nation’ Tories.
     
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  3. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    So far today the Government's plan to build 300,000 new homes is reported to be unlikely to happen because they can't find any bricklayers!
    And nobody knows where the illegal immigrants Rishi intends to send to Rwanda are because apparently most of them have buggered off - disappeared without telling poor Rishi where they were moving to. No forwarding address or anything. How unbelievably bloody rude.

    What a shambles this country is
     
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  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I bet you’d have little trouble finding a dog-walker, pet-pamperer or alternative therapist.
     
  5. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    As Mrs K is wont helpfully to say whenever I lose something, no doubt they will be 'around somewhere'.
     
  6. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    That was pretty much what the Home Office said!
     
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  7. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Ha! Or an 'influencer' or a 'Barista'
     
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  8. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Not sure how this helps Labour. If I was SKS I would have told the chap to do one and be an independent or resign. Unless a mass defection creates a majority, associating with the current lot can only harm your postion surely.
     
  9. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The brickies all went back to Poland mate. Not sure why.
     
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  10. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    Because the EU have granted them €137bn euros for development Poland https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...s-funds-poland-says-von-der-leyen-2024-02-23/
    Its what they should have done years & years ago, instead of dropping all the money in UK, Germany, BeNeLux and France.


    If the EU had done this earlier it would have meant no Brexit, less European immigration, not just in the UK but across Europe, the unlikely rise of the hard far right across Europe. Those Poles who did have to move to another country to provide for their families, would have been able to stay with their families and provide for them there. It would have meant the UK, rather than relying on cheap labour, we would have had to develop and train our own youngsters in essential career apprentices. An essential for any growing economy.
     
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  11. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Which is clearly not the first such EU investment fund made to Poland, a country that has seen an increase of almost 40% on its per capita GDP since accession to the EU. I fully agree proper training of UK nationals in all skills is a vital activity, along with paying decent wages for work, but it’s a bit rich blaming the EU for the decisions of UK governments not to invest in their own people. And that’s without any consideration of the demographic shortfall amongst the UK population.
     
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  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    So the EU’s job was to make Poland as instantly wealthy as the UK? I wonder what the UK view of this would have been while we enjoyed our rebate and investment? Because we were schooled to become exceedingly resentful of that, let alone giving more money to new entrants.

    It’s a simplistic argument you put forward when there a lots of other factors at play in the UK, like an ageing population, a younger workforce with opportunities for easier work, the unwillingness of the Government to invest in the state with it’s free-market small state ideology pushed by the wealthy and austerity since 2010.

    But no, let’s still find a tortuous way to blame the EU (despite the UK Government always being able to make these decisions). I look forward to the mental hoops you’ll go through to still be blaming the EU for the state of the UK in ten years time.
     
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  13. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Hark! Is that the sound of @Moose saddling up his high horse I can hear?
     
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  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    What exactly do you disagree with?
     
  15. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Ancient woodlands being destroyed to make way for HS2; building on the green belt; the closure of Rickmansworth high street…. I’m sure I can think of a few more but, I confess, I have no strong feelings about the GDP of Poland or, indeed, the development grants Poland has received from the EU. Sorry
     
  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Your implicit agreement with my post is noted and I thank you for it.
     
  17. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    You're welcome
     
  18. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    I feel Rishi could benefit from doing something like this.

     
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  19. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    What can the Tories do? Suella Braverman saying they need to be a proper Conservative Party by bigly cutting taxes, setting a cap on migration and leaving the ECHR.

    The British people are ‘crying out’ for a proper Conservative Government she says, which is an interesting view given that they could barely less popular.

    Calls Labour a party of ‘Hard Left Maniacs’ who would take us back into the EU, led by a leader with the ‘charisma of a peanut.’
     
  20. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  21. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

  22. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    No big group of Tory MPs after Rishis head this time around because they know their gooses are well and truly cooked no matter who the leader is. They are going to take one hell of a beating at the next GE.
     
  23. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    They will, but my god all the others are making it hard to like them.
    Sian Berry, stepping down from the greens a couple of days after being elected. Why stand in the first place?
    Streeting white supremacists tweet, 66 tory MPs are from minority ethnic backgrounds, 41 are from Labour - yep i know there are more Tory MPs in teh 1st place - its just stupid tweet.
    This in the West Midlands - https://x.com/NewhamIndParty/status/1787563670014169555
    The LibDems in general.

    With such a strong lead you would think that Starmer would issue a shut up, say nothing, tweet nothing except about what we will do, lets just get on with good canvasing.


    Is there any chance we could get 650 Count Bin Faces out into every constituency?
     
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  24. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    After everyone enjoyed clapping 'key workers' so much during the pandemic, I'm surprised we haven't borrowed more fun ideas from North Korea
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Not sure the Sian Berry thing has much behind it, though I can see Labour is trying to make a fuss. The Greens hoped to get 4 candidates elected to the Assembly but only got 3. Berry was elected from the party list and by people who voted 'Green' rather than for her personally, so I'm not sure it's too big a drama. Plus I've seen quite a lot of chatter about it 'avoiding a by-election' as if it was some dodgy move, when in fact there would never be a by-election for a London-wide Assembly member. If she'd resigned after the GE (assuming a win in Brighton), she'd still be replaced by the next person on the list and that would almost certainly have been the same person who replaced her this week.
     
  26. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Natalie Elphicke defects to Labour!
     
  27. Nathalie Elphicke, who stood by her sex pest husband then took over his parliamentary seat, defects to Labour. The fact that they would accept her speaks volumes I'm afraid.
     
  28. They should have told her to **** off. She's ghastly. Google her at the P&O protests.
     
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  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Struggling to see an upside to this.
     
  31. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Kier needs to tell these people to bugger off. They are tarnishing what little reputation he has.
     
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  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I can just about live with this if it’s only until the election but there is no way this horror show should get to fight a seat for Labour.

    I enjoyed the quoted Tory MP who reportedly said ‘They are taking the absolute dregs.’ Yes, Tory MPs.

    But seriously, how many of these oafs do the Labour leadership think they can accommodate without damage?
     
  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    That's presumably the incentive for someone like Elphicke though isn't it? The other non-entity who defected is standing down at the GE but I've not seen her say that. So presumably the deal is she defects publicly in a way which is timed to embarrass Sunak and in return she's selected as candidate for Labour in the constituency?

    EDIT: Beeb reporting she's standing down at the GE too and Labour are sticking by their existing candidate in Dover. So this is really all just performative. I think on balance I'd have still rather they'd told her to naff off, though the lure of the public defection plus the symbolism of her constituency probably made it too big an opportunity to turn down.
     
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  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  35. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Elphicke IN, Corbyn and Abbot OUT!

    What a 'Labour' Party.

    "At a post-PMQs briefing, a spokesperson for Keir Starmer said that they were confident that Elphicke shared their values"


    Do YOU, dear Labour voter also share Ms Elphicke and Keir Starmer's mutual values?

    Some on the left have lost their direction. I would not vote for Elphicke, Starmer and their stinking putrid 'values' even if my solitary vote made the difference between a Tory and 'Labour' government. Because there is no difference.

    What a shame to see that other Tory poshboy jackleg sitting on the Labour benches wearing his new red tie. What-a-Côck. What an insult to those first true socialists in Britain who bravely chose the red tie as a signal of their beliefs and received many a sacking, beating and arresting as a result.

    I'm going to start a new party. The sign will be a broom. We will all carry brooms on the protest marches and it will signify the need to sweep away this rotten and corrupt bunch once and for all.

    I read that in the sugar mill revolts in Cuba in the 1930s, where they took over the refineries and established mini soviets (until shot up by the police), they gave a punishment to the mill owners and managers which seems to me would be a good one to hand to all these squires, lords, MPs, Earls, barons, counts and hangers on.

    They made them live in workers' houses, eat workers' food and work in the mills like a normal person. See how they like it.
     

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