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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

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  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

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  3. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Watford fans of a certain age remember this horrible piece of work. I'm sure the Reform Party would have found room for him. It just shows that Lee Anderson and his ilk have always lurked in the Tory Party.

    https://thelionandunicorn.wordpress.com/2023/10/21/evans-above/

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    Evans above
    Posted on 21 October 2023 by Paul Saffer 1 Comment
    Whether Lee Anderson ‘well represents the laboratory-engineered toxicity of the Sunak era’ or is the tribune of a working class ‘excluded and stigmatised’ ‘ by the ‘radically progressive consensus’, the former coalminer and Labour councillor has perhaps made the biggest public impact of the 140 non-incumbents elected as MPs in 2019.

    But while Anderson is a self-described New Conservative, there is something awfully familiar about his commitment to almost self-parodic plain-speaking. In fact, the archetype probably had its heyday about the time Anderson’s father was a striking miner, and when the Tory prime minister was even less likely to deploy the f-bomb in public than the current one.

    Margaret Thatcher’s political ascendancy was in part based on votes from a section of the working class attracted by her creed of self-reliance and sceptical of the metropolitan liberal attitudes she scorned, and while neither she nor John Major (from even more humble roots) were given to Anderson-esque outbursts, other colleagues were not so abashed. Teddy Taylor, Geoffrey D1ckens and Teresa Gorman were as proud of their modest roots and outspoken even to the point of enraging their party leadership as Anderson or Nadine Dorries. Norman Tebbit was no mere deputy to the Conservative party chairmanship, and his rise to senior Cabinet membership did not blunt his rhetoric.

    However, if there was a figure who liked to offend with a relish that might make Anderson or his GB News colleagues blush, and who also epitomised whatever is the British version of the American dream, it was David Evans, MP for Welwyn Hatfield in Hertfordshire from 1987 to 1997, who died exactly fifteen years ago. Born in Edmonton, north-east London – as his accent proudly attested – his careers as cricketer for Gloucestershire and Warwickshire and as footballer for Aston Villa were short-lived, but in his mid-twenties he founded a cleaning firm that made him a multi-millionaire.

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    By the time he became an MP, Evans was already a public figure as chairman of Luton Town FC, then in their previous spell as the poor relation of the English top division. After a notorious riot (even for the hooligan-heavy 1980s) at a home FA Cup tie against Millwall, Evans introduced two measures – banning away fans from Luton games and introducing ID cards for home supporters – that were anathema within football but welcomed by the government, who attempted to have the membership scheme made compulsory nationwide.

    That might not have been a coincidence, according to Luton’s then manager David Pleat, who later told the Guardian: ‘We became pariahs. He was a naughty boy, David. He was Mrs Thatcher’s plaything. He wanted a safe Tory seat. I didn’t agree with it but there was no discussion, no debate.’

    Either way, Evans was in position when a vacancy arose at Welwyn Hatfield, and while he was to rise no higher on the ministerial ladder than PPS at various departments, he achieved a prominence that was far from junior.

    He of course leant into the issue that made him well known in the first place. Evans spoke in praise of his own football ID Cards scheme in his second Commons contribution on 4 November 1987. And then again on 16 November 1987. And on 20 January 1988. And 17 February 1988. And 16 June 1988. And 12 July 1988. And 10 February 1989. And so on.

    In fact, it soon became government policy, meeting almost universal opposition within football (save for the Luton chairman himself). However, the scheme was eventually effectively ruled out by the Taylor Report, that followed the Hillsborough disaster, to the fury of Evans, who told Parliament that rather than all-seater stadia, football would be made much safer if ‘these hooligans were taken away and flogged’.

    But Evans would hardly have gained public notoriety merely by limiting his pronouncements to soccer. ‘Giving twenty lashes per prisoner per year may be more appropriate [than prison itself],’ he advocated in one debate on crime, not forgetting to advocate the death penalty, corporal punishment in schools, National Service (‘One practice from the [European] Community that I would grasp with open arms’), and in case those rather liberal policies drifted into cliché: ‘The rapist should have his goolies removed.’

    Tony Banks, an opposite in terms of ideology if not necessarily outspokenness, responded: ‘As I listened to the honourable gentleman I realised that he is one of those who makes Ayatollah Khomeini seem like one of the bleeding-heart liberals of whom the honourable gentleman accuses our country of having.’

    Banks, of course, did manage to find some sort of conventional respectability in later years, first with his stint as Minister of Sport and then in his role overseeing the House of Commons art collection before elevation to the Lords. This transformation from cheeky chappie to at least slightly distinguished cheeky chappie never happened for Evans, but he did actually try.

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    Politically he was more naturally aligned to Margaret Thatcher than John Major, but it was under his fellow working-class football and cricket fan (though Evans was a committee member of Middlesex CCC rather than Major’s Surrey) that he at least got a step on the ministerial ladder, though very much the bottom rung as a PPS for the PM’s future nemesis John Redwood at various departments between 1990 and 1993.

    Evans even did his best at acting the Major loyalist, asking in PMQs on 7 March 1991: ‘Does my right honourable friend agree that under his outstanding leadership we have become a united party determined to defeat inflation and the Labour party when the general election comes?’, continuing in the same vain until Speaker Bernard Weatherill, not for the only time when he was in the chair and Evans was on his feet, intervened: ‘I think that is enough.’

    Evans’s trying-to-persuade-himself effusiveness was no more effective in making him a reliable loyalist than it was in assuaging Weatherill’s barely concealed impatience with such speeches. In the end Evans abandoned his role as Redwood’s bag-carrier and opted for election to the 1922 Committee executive. He did stand as a leadership loyalist to oust Maastricht rebel Sir George Gardiner, but was soon settling into a role as another of the bastards out there for Major.

    Barely was Evans on the 1922 executive than he was fuming to the News of the World that minister Tim Yeo should step down for having an affair, saying: ‘If ministers cannot adhere to the moral standards they are preaching at us every day, they ought not to stay in office.’

    Any hope he might be taken seriously was fading, though. A call just ahead of the 1994 local elections for six Cabinet sackings prompted fellow Tory MP Gyles Brandreth – a man in touch with received opinion within the parliamentary party – to reflect in his diaries: ‘We know Evans is a music-hall turn who likes to play the loutish Essex man for a laugh.’ Brandreth, lest anyone should think that from him ‘music-hall turn’ might be a compliment, added: ‘In my opinion, he’s a tosspot.’

    By the following summer, Evans was even turning on his fellow 1922 executives for backing Major against Redwood in the leadership contest, declaring: ‘[Major] has even set his own office up, to canvass all the backbenchers, so I don’t feel loyalty as part of that executive any more … I’m quite prepared to say to you that I won’t be endorsing the Prime Minister’s candidacy myself.’

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    As the 1997 election approached, came an own goal by Evans worthy even of that of his former Luton striker Mick Harford. With voting less than two months away, and Welwyn and Hatfield vulnerable to the likely Labour swing, Evans set his stall out in an interview at Stanborough School in his constituency, which a pupil just happened to tape. He called for the castration of rapists (not hesitating to mention the race of a recent such offender), he questioned the innocence of the Birmingham Six, and he dismissed his Labour rival Melanie Johnson’s chances since she was ‘a single girl, lives with her boyfriend, three b@stard children, lives in Cambridge’.

    An equal opportunities offender, Evans also turned his fire on some Right Honourable friends, saying Secretary of State for National Heritage, Virginia Bottomley, was ‘dead from the neck upwards’ and Major himself ‘vindictive and unforgiving’.

    Major, unforgivingly if not overly vindictively, agreed at a press conference the next morning that he ‘condemned unreservedly’ Evans’ remarks, and Chief Whip Alastair Goodlad was soon in touch. Evans issued apologies to Major and Bottomley (who called it ‘gallant’) and claimed his comments had been taken ‘out of context’.

    Evans was not so sorry about his comments on Johnson, doubling down: ‘If you have three children out of wedlock, whether you like it or not they are bastards. It was a light-hearted interview.’

    However Johnson, who Evans had claimed in the original interview did not ‘have a chance in hell’ of unseating him due to her moral depravity of living in sin/Cambridge, did in fact top the poll in Welwyn Hatfield, and went on to beat a certain Grant Shapps four years later before the tables were turned in 2005. In her maiden speech, she graciously said that ‘Mr. Evans could be personally very charming’, before a dig of a more subtle kind than her predecessor favoured: ‘I am a firm believer in diversity and my own style will be a little different from his. As a mother of three, I can assure the House that my children will help to keep my feet on the ground.’

    The unwise remarks at Stanborough School probably did not in themselves lose Evans his seat, but they were to prove directly costly in another way. The Birmingham Six, who since their successful appeal against conviction for the pub bombings had won libel actions against the Sunday Telegraph and the Sun, successfully sued Evans, and the now former MP paid them undisclosed damages and apologised in the High Court.

    Evans by then had returned to business, retiring in 2002, six years before his death. By then the Conservative Party was firmly back in the hands of public schoolboys with socially liberal leanings, and Shapps was an MP for Welwyn Hatfield slightly less likely, even in his most combative moods, to describe himself as ‘a very right-wing disciplinarian’.

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    Public schoolboys, and indeed Shapps himself, may remain at the Tory helm fifteen years on, but something of the Evans spirit has returned to their parliamentary parry, although mostly hailing from the north of England rather than just north of London. While Evans was not short of outlets to air his views, either deliberately in the Commons chamber or a to a tabloid hack, or inadvertently in a sixth-form general studies class, social media and a regular GB News gig might well have given him a national celebrity or at least notoriety beyond even that he achieved either as a football chairman or MP.

    Evans, a man with an overlooked hinterland and success prior to politics, ended his decade in Parliament as rather a mocked figure, his party colleagues increasingly exasperated and opponents dismissive of his barbs, disappearing from view even as the likes of Gorman and Taylor remained in public consciousness (helped admittedly by having seats far safer than Evans could boast).

    Was Evans an honest tribune, patronised and ignored in turn by a narrow effete political class inadvertently revealing their contempt for a class of people whose votes they seek, but opinions they disdain? Or is the easy fame gained by ignoring the conventions of public discourse a trap into which he (like a Lee Anderson) willingly stepped, whatever his previous motivation for entering politics?

    A John Major or an Alan Johnson show that the route from working-class obscurity to the heights of government exists; without hiding their roots or even particularly modulating their accents, they made themselves serious figures. Then again both Major and Johnson generally steered clear of extremity of opinion; perhaps a more radical view is only truly taken seriously when put forward by a well-bred Tony Benn or a highly-educated Enoch Powell.

    Which is not to say Evans was of that calibre or potential, but is a deviation from both received opinion and received pronunciation worthy of more than a comparison to a comic turn? Evans, however, who used his very last Parliamentary question to compare, in a tortured metaphor, the Labour party to monkeys, appears to have ultimately decided that was indeed why he was there.
     
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  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Tory donor Frank Hester, who gave the Party £10m has said that Dianne Abbot makes you want to hate ‘all black women’ and that she ‘should be shot.’

    Embarrassed Tories having to try to explain to the media why this isn’t racist and failing miserably.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68539981
     
  5. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    I see Lord Marland is using the political version of he can’t be a racist as some of his best mates are black line

    https://x.com/henryriley1/status/1767511808716198231?s=46&t=dJMeIix2oCIhjphLJhwpfg
     
  6. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    Who has covered this up for 5 years? Someone clearly knew and decided to hide it for so long.
    Tories will give it the its wrong and he shouldn't have said it, but thanks for the cash.
    I'm surprised that Labour are getting involved after taking the whip off Abbott for the comments she made.
    But hay its a Election year, anything goes.
     
  7. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s hard to feel sorry for the Tories on this one. They have encouraged extremism through their culture war, weaponised every possible opportunity against opponents and condemned half the Country as extremists. You do all that and it’s a sword that faces both ways.

    Sure, it’s always a bit suspect when things come out over time, but he’s still a major donor trying to give the Party that wants to call everyone else extremists another go.
     
  9. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    You too

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  10. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    Agree. this has Johnson and Cummings written all over it, happy to take the cash and hide everything behind.
     
  11. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    (On) why?
     
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  12. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  13. westbridgfordhornet

    westbridgfordhornet First Year Pro

    A for 'Orses, as any good cockernee knows!
     
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  14. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Money can buy you lots of things but it can’t buy you decency it seems.
     
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  15. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  16. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yeah, he's more likely to get chased out of town than mobbed by crowds of delighted peasants, which no doubt what CCHQ would be looking for.
     
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  17. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Not as patronising as promoting Lee Anderson to the position of chairman of the party in the belief that the thick sod would appeal to the new northern working class tories.
     
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  18. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I'm sure Frank Hester would be only too pleased if the Tories decided to hand back his 10 million quid! It'd be like getting a refund on a rash purchase that you later regret (I'm assuming he does regret spaffing 10m on this shower of sh1t)
     
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  19. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    If I had £10m to fritter away giving it to a political party, including Labour, would be very low down on my list of priorities, somewhere just below burning it in a KLF style stunt.
     
  20. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    I am sure he would welcome a refund now that he's been exposed for what he is and his reputation is in tatters. Prior to this barely anyone would have known, or cared, who he was.

    Most of these people want the influence their money can buy but they're not awfully keen on any scrutiny. I am sure he thought he could donate to the party, get a friendly hearing as and when he wanted one, and that would be that.
     
  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    To be fair the donation looks pretty much like a kickback anyway. This guy owns a company which has received hundreds of millions pounds of public sector IT contracts in recent years under various Tory administrations. And he just happens to donate £10m of that back to the party that fixed it for him in the first place. Nice.
     
  22. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Yes, I just heard that. I'd say that is even more damaging for Rishi and his chums than this chap's views on Dianne Abbott
     
  23. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Some of these absolute fruitcakes are now mobilising for Britain to leave the ECHR. Extraordinary stuff. There's no limit to the things they don't understand.
     
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  24. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    As drafted (largely) by Churchill’s government.
     
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  25. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    They said Brexit was turkeys voting for Christmas. Well, this would be ten times worse. It's nothing more than surrendering to becoming nothing more than a country of serfs presided over by spivs and moneymen (and women).

    I don't particularly like to label people idiots simply because what they think is patently wrong but anyone who thinks that tearing up the ECHR will be a good thing for them and future generations is a complete idiot.

    How quickly we've become an expensive poor country of conmen (and women) and corruption. Big chunks of the country are being sold off to be governed by corporate private interests and hardly anyone bats an eyelid.
     
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  26. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Labour are being gifted some useful three word slogans for their lecterns during the GE campaign:
    • Hester's racist millions
    • Destination square one
    • Tory mortgage penalty
     
  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    This is the big issue here and hopefully it will get the attention it deserves.

    As reprehensible as his comments were, he’s an effing nobody and only his corruption should be of any concern. It’s a bit sad that Parliament ends up spending so much time on this and, for example, not the massive landfill near Bury, reported by ITN yesterday (though it’s been reported many times in the last couple of years) that stinks so badly people can’t leave their homes and kids are getting respiratory diseases.

    And if Parliament is going to debate it, on what planet is it ok for Dianne Abbot not to have a say?
     
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  28. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Very good cover from the Al-Speccy:

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    Although I assume the akchweall article is up to Liddle's usual "high standard" of writing...
     
  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  30. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Apbsolutely, complete nobody.
    Not defending it at all but when you have a system where donors fund political parties you're going to get the whiff of corruption whether there is any foundation to the allegations or not. It's not just the Tories and it's not just this country. The issue is it'll cost a fortune to investigate everything.
    I'm not sure there is an alternative however, certainly if you keep the party system. Suggestions of publicly funding political parties would I suggest go down extremely badly. Banning people from donating because they may have in the past received governement contracts or banning donors from receiving future government contracts isn't workable either. Can you take the politics out of the award of contracts? Not sure the Civil service is completely politic free, fit for purpose or uncorruptable either.

    It's all a ******* mess and I can't really see a solution. It's all very depressing really.
     
  31. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

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  32. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Perhaps reveals a bit too much about what The Spectator thinks of the north and Midlands. Cobbled back alleys and terraced houses. Weeds. Sinister types who 'want there ****ry back."

    Malcolm Tucker said it best when he said with absolute disdain: "The Spectator!"

    Five pounds ninety five too. Amazing.
     
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  33. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    It’s not raining in the picture though. That surprised me
     
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  34. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I'd actually vote for the KLF if they were to run
     
  35. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    They are Justified and Ancient so likely Tories
     

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