Disingenuous whataboutery that black on black, black on white and black on asian hate crimes take place far more often than white supremacist attacks, and to absurdly dismiss, by grouping them in with gang violence, Waukesha and the recent New York attack is frankly par for the course with the left. There is no longer a defamatory term that befits the above disgusting normalisation of violence perpetrated by one group of people as opposed to another. Attempting to stoop low enough to find one is useless. If all the white supremacists dropped dead over night, oh happy day, the impact on the number of violent deaths of black Americans would be imperceivable. What a nasty bunch of unpleasant apologists you lot are for the serious issue of violence against other human beings. If it isn't white supremacy, it's racist to talk about it, and it's not as bad as if a white man did it. Undeniably, the message here is "Let them get on with it" Very nasty. Thanks for making that clear. FFS
Take New York as an example. A violent criminal hell hole, dragged out of its dispair by Rudi Giuliani, and now, back in Democrat hands, returning to the same lawless mess it was before. The worst areas in the US are democrat run, and have been for some time. If liberals and socialists are the answer, then the answer is incorrect. I urge everyone to think for themselves and shake off the commy dogma they have been fed, and think for themselves. This post above is very silly, as if written by a Biden press secretary.
Very revealing. The ultimate what about. Turns out that if you figure in Ukraine war deaths with US violent deaths then Black on black violence becomes insignificant. Why not throw in the holocaust? The poster also misses the fact that the white on white violence in Ukraine has come in for far more criticism from the US right as sesnseless, stupid political shenanigens, than it has from the left, who see it as an essential fight for freedom, profits and the corporate billionaire way. The left have already attempted to make it a racist issue on here, just look back at posts complaining that African civilians were not being permitted to leave Ukraine (because places for travel were being held for Ukrainian refugees), and an intersectional trans rights issue by highlighting the plight of men, dressed as women, being oppressed for attempting to leave the country, whilst men dressed as men accept their fate, take up arms, and defend their family's home land. The fantasy world in which the left want to force everyone else to have to live in is being laid bare for the ideoligically self excluding absurdity it is.
Turns out the guy who slaughtered the innocent in this case hated Fox News and considers himself to be a left wing authoritarian populist, a la Bernie Sanders. No surprise that extreme left wing lunatics are also white supremacists, given that Richard Spencer, a socialist, ant Trump, white supremacist who was an organiser of the Charlottesville demonstration, is one of Biden's most vocal supporters, whilst also being one of his least publicised. There's also the CRT element of the left, which underpins black supremacy, employs the most racist, seggregationist theologies, derived from nazi ideals. The problem with that, as has been constantly been pointed out by myself onhere, and by itsdetractors world wide, is that it is just pure racism, that any ethnic group of people can employ to declare they are being treated unfairly by everyone else, and can use to justify atrocities. So let's recognise, as I have been saying forsome time, that racism is more prevalent on the left as things stand at the moment, and accept,until proven otherwise, that this was actually... More related tothe attrocities of Waukesha and Brooklyn than Donald Trump and Fox News.
There is no possible connection between Bernie Sanders and this type of act. This is all too typical of your shout something obviously stupid as loudly as possible school of trolling. However, there is clearly a substantial connection between the Republican Party, ‘great replacement theory’ racism and gun culture that gets stewed up in a confused mind like his. For years they have been winding up white folk that black politics is a threat and will take their guns. A teenager in Buffalo has an obsession with the Mayor of London? He got that from one person. Donald Trump. Amplified by republicans and right wing trolls the World over. He is your child.
"“For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs,” the Buffalo manifesto states. “The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue.”" - taken from his manifesto. He said he hated Fox News "as it is controlled by Jews" however also made many mentions to "the great replacement theory" - which has been talked about on over 400 of Fox News shows. Are you “right wing”? Depending on the definition, sure. Are you “left wing”? Depending on the definition, sure. Are you a socialist? Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intentions, who currently owns the means of production, their intentions and who currently owns the state, and their intentions. The above is again taken from his manifesto, so whilst he doesn't open declare which side he leans on, he does criticise both the left and the right, however he consistently repeats right wing conspiracy theories, was obviously a regular watcher of Fox etc etc "The document also claims “critical race theory,” a recent right-wing talking point that has come to generally encompass teaching about race in school, is part of a Jewish plot, and a reason to justify mass killings of Jews." Yup he definitely seems left wing to me, always knew you were a secret lefty. You mean the same Charlottesville demonstration where Trump called white supremacists "my people"? You mean the same Richard Spencer who said "Let's party like it's 1933" when Trump first came into power? You mean the same Richard Spencer who said "Heil Trump" encouraging his supporters to do the nazi salute? If you seriously believe he swapped to supporting Biden for the reason he said (the killing of General Soleimani) then I have some beans to sell you. Whilst we're at it here's some more examples of who the white supremacists really vote for. Former KKK leader David Duke endorses Trump for president again https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ke-tucker-carlson-election-2020-a9609491.html Thomas Robb - head of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan endorses Trump https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-kkk-idUSKBN12X2IG Yeah, no.
There are bad people on both sides. Have you heard all of Trump's speach regarding Charlottesville? Which he starts by condemning white supremacy, before acknowleding there were good people with serious concerns on both the left and the right? God forbid that an American President might recognise moderation is a good thing. No President condemned white supremacy more than Trump. And he never gzve a eulogy at the funeral of a former grand dragon of the KKK, as did Biden. Biden was accused of racism by his own VP. You have no idea, clearly, what the f CRT is if you think it is just a right wing talking point. Read up on the info written by those who champion it, then listen to left wing rhetoric on race, and you will come to understand it better. Yes, that Richard Spencer. He calls himself a socialist, is critical of Trump and is fully behind Biden. That is the one. Ask yourself what Trump did that let him down so badly, and what Biden offers. As for the 'right wing' arguments made, you are simply saying that because they are racist and antisemite, they are right wing. They are not. Labour has proven that these things are more the preserve of the left yhese days, and CRT (justification fo ant-Semitism and any other racism) under pins all of it. Racism is currently more of a left wing disease.
@iamofwfc just a periodic observation noting that you are making a right berk of yourself liking all of these posts. You are plainly a nice fella. Do you really want to be seen as on the wrong side of the US’s race war?
That's what you accuse me of, but you never seem to mind placing yourself on the side of racism, defending CRT, Joe KKK Biden, "black and brown" people, GoBE is innocent and assumptions that everyone in the commonwealth that is not British is a person of colour. Your casually bigoted gammon credentials are well established. So you go ahead and accuse me of being a racist as much as you like. Your audience is not one I am concerned about when it comes to opinions of what constitutes racism.
Yeah, fair comment. Making creepy, sinister threats towards iamofwatfordfc, suggesting implications if he doesn't adopt the left's racist strategy, of encouraging ignorance to achieve racist political aims, does not require a person to have consumed copious amounts of alcohol. I was just being charitable by suggesting you new not what you were saying.
There is no threat there as you are fully aware. Don’t invent nonsense. He is making a fool of himself imo. I’m entitled to offer that opinion. You make a fool of yourself daily, but don’t take just my word for it. Ask everyone else!
There is a threat there because you are declaring a negative outcome if he does not agree with your side of the argument. A fool on this thread of the forum, is not what you make ut to be. If I am a fool in the eye of a world\bubble that sees the world as you do, then I feel better for it. A fool in the opinion of fools, is likely the less (fewer) foolish. Yiu guys regularly demonstrate that you know nothing about the subjects you pontificate and virtue signal about, and demonstrably show yourselves unconciously (I am being charitable again) backing some serious issues that historically would have been considered extreme right wing, and you don't have a clue you are doing it, and get upset when someone points it out to you. I am a fool in this bubble. Outside of it, in the real world,it would be you that is the fool.
Here’s some updates on a few things you may have taken to be fact over the last few years… Many of the debunks/confessions of having spouted BS are either MSNBC itself or other left leaning outlets that once carried the stories as fact. But like you guys, it’s just a case of ‘oh, they spotted that one, on to the next…’ Yeah, I’m sure others do it too. But the thing here, is that the BS is a trumpeting of government propaganda, is treated as fact, is used in impeachment processes, presidential elections, and the creation of law, even as MSNBC, etc., are broadcasting their retractions. BS has always played a part in politics, but never before, except in the worst of burgeoning dictatorships, has it ever been so weaponised to crush moderate dissent regarding the activities of the establishment.
So, Clinton, knowing the story had not been verified (that is a joke, but technically it is the official truth of the matter, though she paid for the fake report that justified it) authorised the Russiagate story being given to the press. This guy's testimony is hilarious, and shows the complete lack of self awareness among the shallow, easily led sheeple that believe the BS the Dems depend on to suspend reality long enough to get away with their, pretty much, evil and dishonest fantasy governance of the United States (through the establishment). Best thing is where the prosecutor asked Mook, who confirmed in his testimony that Clinton gave her blessing for it, what an October surprise was, which Mook described as a mythical manouvre carried out by one side in an election to provide, as late as possible so it may not a be countered by the other party, a story that is so detrimental that it will cause a last minute swing in votes to the party that published the story. Mook said it was a mythical thing that didn't really happen, and said he could not recall any prior example of an October surprise (quite astounding, as they are called October surprises because there is a long history of them occuring, but if you don't care about the truth...). The most recent version being Hunter Biden's lap top, which, whilst being an actual scandal that is just starting to be unravelled, was used as an October surprise. So the chap was basically just sitting there stating to everyone that he is a liar and cannot be trusted. The prosecutor, who had earlier asked Mook to read the tweet from Hilary Clinton that announced the fake story of Trump's Russia Collusion to the world, was then asked to go back to the tweet and read date it was posted.... Mook: October 31 2016 (seven days before the election). Prosecutor says "thank you very much" and drops the mic. Self Awareness United 0 - 1 BS Rovers Many people are concerned for Mooks safety, and the last words he was heard to say as he left the court were 'I am not planning on committing suicide.' Genuinely; I wish him good luck with that. For info: The testimony of Mook has little impact on the case as a whole (it is being tried in DC, and three or four jurors donated to Clinton's campaign - which is fair enough), so it will not have any affect on the outcome, but it is putting some uncomfortable information into the public domain. The thrust of the issue is that the fake research was carried out by the Clinton Campaign (there is no argument about that, it is accepted by both sides, and the research itself is not being defended), so they couldn't simply say look what we have found (particularly with the information being fake), so had to pass it to the FBI and the press in the hope they would run with it, so Hilary could then say, look what the press and the FBI have uncovered. It is a completely dishonest action, very much in keeping with the way the Democrats used fake news-paper headlines whilst they were in the process of being debunked, literally, in their impeachment of Trump over Jan 6. It is so blatant that it is redundant to get upset about the fact everyone "can't see it". Because the reality is that you do all see it, but believe the means justify the ends, and that honesty and truth are merely obstacles, just like freedom of speech. But at least another layer of the onion skin has come off, and the Dem's suspended reality has become just a little more precarious among those moderates that previously placed their full trust in the party being upright and honest. Yet another piece of demonstrably dishonest poop spread by the Dems that their supporters will have to defend as if it was gospel. Some of them must be getting a little uncomfortable with what the party is expecting them to do.
Anyone proud of this? If the Dem’s are going to say that Trump’s comments have encouraged lunatic white supremacists (despite him castigating white supremacists more than any other President), then clearly they will also be queueing up to take responsibility for this unhinged loon. Nah. They’ll probably be in full agreement with her. You may not agree with her (am I being charitable again?), but that’s your side that is, and she is a product of their tactics. At least she’s not Trump.
Lol. That’s quite hilarious. As is the rest of your post. I usually like to see the provenance of any video posted here. Can’t find this anywhere. Where did you dredge it up from?
Plenty more like it. Howling mad lefites determined to make a political point, and damn reality. Here's another. One woman says that abortion should be legal as long as it's safe for the mother and the foetus. Yes. She actually said that. My favourite is the last woman, who reflects the lines in the above video, ACTUALLY considering that a living child that has survived birth should be put down if the mother wanted it to be so. That is the argument ranting leftie democrats have offered to idots who do not know how to think for themselves. Already, children who survive abortion are teminated as a matter of course. "It's my baby, now kill it!!" 63 million lives have been taken through abortion since Roe v Wade, I understand that around 50% of those lives, encouraged by Democrats, have been black. That is many million times more lives than have been taken by white supremacists in the same period, and it is a far more effective way for the democrats to irradicate deplorables, whilst persuading them you are on their side, that the KKK (the Dems previous medium for ethnic cleansing) ever was. I am not saying it is your argument, and I do believe there should be some element of choice with abortion, particularly in if there is a health or criminal imperative. All I am doing is pointing out the sick, murderous, unthinking and totally mainstream left wing views that have become normal because the Democrats have been making such disgusting and dogwhistling arguments for so long now. They are sick. And they are your choice for leadership of the united states. Don't say they are not. We had this discussion before Biden was elected.
Yes, thanks for your nauseating, blame everyone else, but for the benefit of doubt you support abortion, post. What I actually asked was where you found the video. Suspicious that you won’t answer that.
Yes, but at least he’s not pro-abortion and therefore responsible for the deaths of millions of people, deaths which are completely comparable to the deaths of black adults by white supremacists, though he is completely in favour of abortion, which is comparable to the death of an adult, for health reasons or reasons of criminality when it ceases to be comparable to the death of an adult.
I’m offering post #266 as the daftest post this forum has ever seen. All it needs is a @iamofwfc like to finish it off.
Inventing nonsense ever since I had the misfortune to come across him around the time of BLM. Making a fool of himself daily? Incorrect - it's several times a day! I applaud your efforts to engage with him, I gave up long ago!
What? There is a link to the video on youtube, FFS. What else are you after. It was drawn to my attention by a YouTube site called "Black Conservative Perspective", run by a black US conservative. How many black YouTubers do you subscribe to? Come on. Answer the question (my best impression of Moose)!!
You still haven't been able to point out anything I made up yet. Go on. I've asked you enough times. Your inability to do so would appear to be the reason you gave up ranting at me (because you never attempted to engage in discussion with me)
Bubble speak mutating into self delusion. You, after all, are the guy that still makes the argument that EU laws do not prevent them from involvement in member states' domestic politics. Who on earth do you expect to respect your opinion, even if they like your antagonism of me, when you take up such an absurd position? No one out side this bubble, that is for sure.
Thanks, terribly helpful. So it’s not a news report, it’s a piece from an anti-abortion group, asking daft questions. The answers look edited (the interviewer and respondent are never both on screen) and the respondent simply answers broken record that a woman has a right to choose. This is not evidence of anything but the tactics anti-abortionists will stoop to. There is no campaign to kill grown children as well you know. This (just check the comments out) is a spiteful attempt to make people hate each other.
What is nauseating about the video. I would genuinely like to know. As I said, my intention was not to denegrate a persons desire to have an abortion, but to highlight the sick, unimaginable arguments being made in the left to defend the indefensible. They are talking about putting down babies that survive birth FFS, but you seem to think that pointing that out is hateful. Again, I don't have to accuse you of anything, your own words are perfect for demonstrating the way you thunk, and for highlighting the points of view you think need defending from those who disagree with them. You may not find the views expressed alarming. No one would expect you to, because you portray yourself as the intolerent gammon too well. The problem however is that you react with abuse to those who draw it to the attention.
Who said it is a news report? There is a video with them both in shot during the conversation. I will see if I can dig it out. But the important thing is, however you try to say I am making things up, all a person has to do is listen to the words coming out of the people's mouths, at which point, any observer will simply ask. What the F is Moose going on about? I am not trying to make people hate each other. I would like to hear you explain that BS comment. I am highlighting the extremist language that is being used in the US to shut down reasonable conversation. "It's my baby, I can kill it if I want". Is not a very impressive argument as far as I am concerned, and I am not putting words into anyone's mouth there. I don't hate anyone that says such a thing, I am just pointing out the pllitical party that has encouraged such thoughts.
You still can't understand that deciding that arguments contrary to your viewpoint are not sufficient to make you change your stance does NOT mean you are RIGHT and the other viewpoint is WRONG. Very few people on here (I'd say apparently only one) accept you are right on most things you say. I accept it would appear that you consider no contrary argument adequate to change your mind, seemingly on anything. That does not make you RIGHT, but in your manichean, absolutist mindset you have arrived at the position of 'well, if they haven't persuaded me to change my mind, then I am RIGHT, ergo, they are WRONG.' Total bollox in any considered logical debate. I used to believe you were interested in such logical debate, no matter how bizarre your stance and the material you regularly cite as 'evidence', often seemingly extremely uncritically. But your gravity-defying diatribe in post # 266 has led me to doubt that. To give the 'EU-Brexit' canard it's final airing from my side: the ONLY person ANYWHERE who has actually said (or as far as I can ascertain, implied) that the EU acted illegally is....YOU on this forum! If you are 'outside this bubble', then it's a 5uck1ng big bubble. Maybe it is you living in a 'bubble of one (plus an apparently mute follower)'. You decide the meaning of terms has no relevance to how you decide to use them, but then insist everyone else explains what they mean. You proclaim victory & infallibility in every 'debate' in which you participate, being incapable of accepting the concept that just because you haven't been convinced you're 'wrong' that doesn't mean you must be 'right' and that automatically means every other viewpoint is 'wrong'. And then you cavil at being accused of 'absolutist thought' whilst countering with a load of waffle that simply proves you do not even understand what it means. Similarly, your inability to understand the term 'tautology' when used in the context of logical debate, proclaiming how proud you were to be tapping into some Arabic persona. And then you have the cheek to accuse others of taking 'absurd position(s)'.
