Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by hornmeister, Sep 10, 2020.
"Like a new signing".
Can't wait to see the Quina/Penaranda combination play. The league isn't ready.
Hampstead not good enough for him?!
Supposedly leaving on loan.
Another manager not keen on him ?
Sounds like that. If he is leaving on loan, then got to assume we must definitely be bringing in another CM.
Not that surprising given he’s not featured at all thus far.
As Markoa$ says though, we have to bring in a CM. Quina was on the bench at West Brom and now Cleverley may be injured. Sure, we’ve brought in Choudhury since then but it shows we are a bit light in the middle. What’s more none of our CMs are ‘attacking’ players. It’s a priority to sign someone who will play forwards when they get the ball and offer us some goal threat from the edge of the box.
Don’t really understand why we’d send Quina on loan again when he’s not played for us in about 4 years. Just let the lad go permanently and try to resuscitate his career elsewhere.
I'd keep him around the squad as a rotation option if his attitude is right. The Xisco Disco season proved he can chip in the odd goal and generally compete against the lower third of the division. We can't afford to have too small a squad given the regular fixtures. He's a dud as far as PL potential goes though.
He's not alone there.
I wouldn't worry about that.
Incidentally he never played under Xisco, he was injured the whole time he was here before going to Granada apparently. As for goals...he got 1 that season, though of course he's unusual in this squad in that he's got a great shot on him which he showed for us when we were in the Prem
The problem with Quina is that he needs games, if he were the same profile of player but, say, 10 years older, I don't think anyone would have any qualms about having him on the bench as a squad player, but unfortunately he needs a fresh start. Preferably on a permanent deal, but I don't know if anyone is interested enough in him to commit to that
Not one head coach has really wanted to play him; he just cannot be any good in training.
Has been suggested his attitude is an issue a few times .
Yep, if you don't really put it in during training, why would any coach trust you during a match?
I would imagine its more that he's a long shot merchant. McGugan mk ii
I think Ivic really did want to play him and tried to make a lot of our play go through him. Only so many times that you can watch him take 3/4/5 touches to move the ball on when it was crying out to be done quickly before it gets frustrating though. His dawdling on the ball, not concentrating on simple passes and being rag dolled around in firm but fair challenges did for him under Ivic.
He's clearly not doing what head coaches ask of him, either through choice or he just doesn't have the tactical intelligence. His technical ability isn't in question, he's a fantastic footballer. Maybe he's another young player we've wasted by not coaching them properly.
I assume we only extended his contract last season so we could get a fee for him at some point, that could be this summer.
I'd like to know exactly what each manager asked from him, because he's had a fair few already!
Portuguese Ravel Morrison.
Another pointless loan, barely playing any football. Meanwhile, we don't have enough bodies so have supposedly been looking for free agents.
I don't think he's really good enough but seemed to have had a semi decent spell with Barnsley last year - surely his development would've been better served as a squad player with us rather than going to a La Liga team when he's never shown anything to suggest he can perform at that level (yes, I know he scored a couple of crackers at Granada when he first arrived but very quickly fell down the pecking order after that)?
Watford FC, destroying the careers of young players since 2012.
Including players simply not good enough?
Looked a good player when he came into the side in the 19/20 Premier League season. Since then, as with a lot of our young players, we've given him a number of ridiculous, illogical loans that have done nothing for his development whatsoever.
We either leave young players to rot doing nothing or send them out to clubs/league's where we're setting them up for failure.
Has to work both ways though. Apart very brief periods, he has not looked good enough for us or the clubs where he has been on loan.
In Quina's case, both! He looked a right player in 18/19, hardly played in the hurly burly of a relegation fight the next season, then was in and out of the team at both us under Ivic and at Granada the next season before being loaned out to two separate clubs last season (one of which he failed miserably, one of which he did at least achieve some level of success on the pitch albeit in a terrible team), and now he's at Elche where he's again not doing much. I have seen people accuse him of having a bad attitude, which is quite possibly true, but I struggle to believe that is something that couldn't have been moulded out of him with better guidance from our side
If he’d played well enough for any of the loan clubs or WFC managers he’d have got the games. Perhaps he should have been loaned to lower league sides, 2nd division in Spain or 3rd division in England, or Scottish prem.
A tutor friend of mine calls it "shopping" in regards to tennis.
Where the player trawls around coaches and clubs, looking for the enlightened person to project them to fortune.
I suspect by now the reason that Quina hasn't made good is Quina himself.
Many a slip twixt cup and lip etc etc.
The club basically admitted they did next to no work on his transfer, his agent just turned up at the ground prior to deadline day.
Quite clear for all to see that he has an attitude problem, and hasn't bothered to develop his game past his one trick of being able to score spectacular goals.
The club got it wrong, but it wasn't their fault he's bone idle
Yes it was the most punty of our many punts. They had an hour or two to work out whether they wanted him or not while he waited in the car park. I guess they quickly found a youtube vid of him scoring spectacular long range goals for WHU....rather than one of him getting tackled, misplacing passes and lots of long-range shots missing the target.
If he'd have been given sensible loans, I'm sure he would have played better tbf! It's so very strange that 3 of his 4 loans away from us have been to teams more or less at the same level as us or even higher, perhaps it's no surprise that the most successful loan he's had (and I still wouldn't call it a roaring success) was his loan at Barnsley at the bottom of the Champo
He was an 18 year old kid when we signed him, the history of football is absolutely littered with kids who didn't take the game seriously but with an arm around their shoulder/kick up the backside, turned it around and went on to achieve what they were capable of. As has been mentioned to death, it's also our fault for just loaning him out willy-nilly rather than actually thinking about what's best for his development
It looked successful initially, a few great goals etc, but very quickly their fans turned against him as he encountered the same issues with us, namely losing the ball repeatedly from promising positions. I watched his highlights from Reids postings and he possession so many times....
The problem is by then his development had been stunted, give him a similar loan in 19/20, the fans might still have been on his back, but he'd have been in a better position in 20/21 to come back and play for us or get football elsewhere
Had a couple of decent performances early on but never really looked poor in his few championship appearances and clearly has done nothing with his loan opportunities . I’d be surprised if he doesn’t just disappear into the lower leagues or below now as just don’t think he’s good enough .
He's had about 10+ coaches in his professional career, and not one of them has got a tune out of him. It's 100% an attitude problem, and it didn't matter who we loaned him out to.
Marco Silva slated him last season for not working hard enough, and clearly he's not changed