What is 'trying to shut down'? I mean, Linehan's new book – Tough Crowd – is for sale on all major outlets and has been serialised across multiple days in the Daily Mail and on the Daily Mail's website, which is one of the biggest news websites in the world. So not only has he not been shut down, he's been given a platform and plenty of opportunity to say what he reckons. People opposing what someone is saying – however stridently – is simply not 'shutting down'. But it's become a shorthand term in an increasingly knee-jerk environment. It does a disservice to people who are genuinely voiceless, who do not have a platform at all, to suggest that people like noisy blowhard Graham Linehan is in any way having his views suppressed.
You don't think a death threat is an attempt to shut someone down then? I take the point in the last paragraph.
Well it does quite comprehensively. I can’t imagine Jeremy Corbyn could book any venue he chooses, but it would be fanciful to suggest the old twunt has been cancelled.
Linehan has just published his book, Tough Crowd, which has been serialised across multiple days by the Daily Mail and Daily Mail Online. So, he's not been 'cancelled' he's just not being hired by people and organisations who don't want to hire him. But there's still plenty of opportunity for those views to get aired, thanks to his publisher and the Mail.
No it doesn't. Linehan's shows were pulled because the venues were fearful of the response they would get. Anwyay, as I said, my wording was 'tried to shut down'.
A death threat is illegal. Someone who makes a death threat is unhinged and needs punishment or help or both. It's not a legitimate part of the apparatus that decides who does and doesn't get a platform to say their piece in public, which is what this debate was initially about.
I think the clearest instance where you can argue someone was ‘cancelled’ was Kathleen Stock, who had to leave her position at Sussex University after student protests about her trans-exclusionary views. I think that was wrong, but a trans person may take a different view if they feel that her comments advocated their own erasure. People are always being criticised, sometimes ostracised and sometimes deserve it. David Irving was sent packing from academia for his Holocaust denial and frankly **** him.
I'm not sure what that has to do with it. My point was simply that your original statement 'NONE of these people have been shut down' is, IMO, somewhat more nuanced than you seemed to be suggesting.
God, every time I think 've got to the end of the list, someone suggests another barstid who simply has to go in. So, volume 6 will have to be readers' choice. I'm exhausted thinking about the ****s. In the meantime, here's volume 5.
Griff is one of those who regularly threatens to leave the Country if Labour come in and tax the wealthy. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/03/griff-rhys-jones-uk-labour-mansion-tax
Should 'of' thought Jimmy Carr (or as my mother in law calls him, 'the straight Alan Carr') was a more likely barstid candidate.
I've had the misfortune to watch "Alan Carr's Picture Slam" and whatever that gameshow extravaganza he does is called. He's just inept. So he's not an evil barstid, he's just a useless barstid, so maybe he shouldn't be there. But life's not fair. Great call for Fatty Holmes. Maybe that other fat Northern Irisher from the BBC too.
I mean God knows Alan Carr’s show looks like utter drivel, but we don’t have to watch it. I’m not sure his inclusion is warranted. You’ll be sticking Clare Balding in next.
Keir Starmer and the Labour front bench not in here, wtf. Have to wait until they have been elected and wait a couple of years I guess.
Could I propose Owen Jones? Perhaps not a barstid but certainly a whiny little tw4t who winds me up, regardless of the merits of the points he's making.
Who’d have thought Dominic Cummings would only be in Table Four, slumming it with Ian Holloway and crackpot Piers (what? there’s an even worse Corbyn?) Corbyn? I bet that two years ago he would have been topping the Barstids’ Premier League. How the mighty have fallen.
I couldn't even remember his name in a lecture the other day, and had to refer to him as 'that Barnard Castle bloke'. Admittedly, that may say more about me than him.
Errr, no-one outside of XRW circles (particularly in the US who funded him) took him seriously. No academia had anything to do with him whatsoever. He was basically supported by the holocaust denial industry. Even his day out in the sun with court case against Lipstadt was a joke especially proving him to be a liar. Be thankful his day was before the rise of social.
These will stay up for the whole round. Remember the pair with the highest score get eliminated so keep your scores nice and low. 30 for you to have a go at at home.
