They did. I dont know why Madagascar specifically was chosen, but the idea was devised in the late 1930's with mass emigration being considered the 'final solution' to the 'Jewish problem' and it wasnt a new idea - the Nazis had agreed to work with Zionist groups in Palestine facilitate Jewish emigration there as far back as the early 1930's. It get shelved with the out break of war and then revived after the fall of France (Madagascar being a French colony) in 1940. The plan was to deport 4 million Jews over 4 years and ultimately make europe 'Jew free'. Failure to defeat Britain meant that logistically the plan couldnt be implemented and by 1942 the plan was totally scrapped after Britain invaded Madagascar and defeated the French army stationed there - though by that point the Nazis where already well on their way to implementing a different final solution.
To such an extent that there were Zionist-backed training camps opened by the Nazis in Germany offering training in the manual skills (farming, carpentry, building etc) for setting up kibbutzim in Palestine...
Rwanda plan unlawful, says the Supreme Court. https://news.sky.com/story/supreme-...asylum-seekers-to-rwanda-is-unlawful-13008709
Ignore the law says 6 bob Nob. Enemies of the people tweets Brenda Clark-Smith. Framework of human rights must change bleats "Sir" Simon Clarke. (to be added to Barstids, along with the criminally overlooked Redwood)
Regardles whether you support the policy or not (I don't) this whole debacle is a perfect illustration of the complete mess we're in. Government wants to do something. Either doesn't understand it's own laws and do it's due dilligence before committing to it and spending out. Or doesn't go about it properly in a way to make it legal. As usual the lawyers make a bundle, tax payers hard earned is wasted and the problem is still not solved and the government's time is spent elsewhere rather than sorting the rest of it's **** out. What will happen next? We will probably get sued by Rwanda for breach of contract, have to pay them anyway and give both sides lawyers another wedge.
For all the criticism you could level at th Cleggs and Camerons - at least they were somewhat competent at their sychophantic political opportunism for most of their periods in charge. Repeatedly, the current government hasn't even been able to stop in-fighting to the point of complete collapse of the leadership circle - how can they manage a country if they can't even manage internal disputes? At least back then you knew whatever policy Cameron wanted to push through it wouldn't lead to complete implosion and requirement to choose yet another prime minister. None of these people are fit to run a country.
Both your either and your or are the sole responsibility of this useless Brexit government. And before you moan, it is a direct consequence of Brexit that the members of this useless government are there. So I am expecting a like from iamofwfc because he likes your post.
I'm not sure that Cameron is thought of as competent. He may look and sound competent, but pretty much everything he touches turns to sh1t.
If I understand your garbled post correctly you're accusing me of voting them in? I didn't. With regard to Brexit, we get it you don't like it. Apart from free movement of European citizens, Brexit has little do do with Asylum seekers so not quite sure why you're rattling your cage about that here? Maybe the topic details don't get you frothing at the mouth as much as you'd like? Constantly calling out other forum members simply because you disagree with their point of view and seem to want a fight doesn't do you any justice. You're better than that. Have a lie down chap.
The useless government which you bemoan exists solely because of Brexit. It was voted in to "get brexit done". It's members are there because they signed up to the Brexit religion as demanded by Johnson. Any talent the Tories had was sidelined or expelled by the Brexit junta. And policy has been driven by the headbangers of the ERG/NRG/New Conservatives. Which of this do you disagree with?
It's true that the mess and the current state is 90% attributable to Brexit. Since the referendum the government has been a complete mess slowly getting more and more facist a s right wing. This is because the right wing ERG and taxpayers alliance whip amup a fury against any remotely sensible member or the tory party and purge them. The majority of the sensible principled ones supported remaining. So it's hard to argue with the fact Brexit voters caused this too. Plus leaving the EU is intrinsically linked to immigration. Mainly the signal it sends to our politicians. Secondly we weakened our negotiating power with France and the rest of the EU to deal with it on the other side of the channel
I get that you seem to hate lawyers but surely your disdain for them is misplaced here? Seems pretty obvious that government lawyers told them they weren't going to have a high chance of winning this appeal but they continued anyway for political purposes. Government lawyers aren't paid by the case anyway and they're pretty poorly remunerated compared to the rest of the profession. They may have taken additional external advice in this case but again, would've been driven by the government's determination to make a political point. They wanted another set of "will of the people frustrated by lefty lawyers" headlines and they've got it.
Whether there was enough people to tip the balance over labour (160 odd seats iirc) simply because of their brexit stance is possible. I wouldn't know, I didn't vote for them and have no clue what would persuade someone to do so. I'm not sure there's been a comprehensive study to answer that question unless you're able to point me in the direction of some reason polling? I don't necessarilly disagree with the argument I think you're making, I take issue with your personal accusations and the general unpleasant way you and tried and failed to make your points. That is why I called you out.
Not at all, they have their uses. I just can't help feeling that where government is concerned they don't appear to be doing their job very well and the upshot of it is, it seems to give them more work to do and hence more of the taxpayers hard earned in preference to feeding and caring for people.
Think this is going to be quite big, Rwanda scheme now going to cost £290m rather than £140m to take max low hundreds of asylum seekers (if anyone ever makes it there). After Cleverly stood up in Parliament yesterday and gave the impression there were no additional costs. Can probably get away with saying the very specific wording he used wasn't a lie as he only said they asked for no more money to 'sign the treaty' but he'd have known full well that he was giving the impression that there hadn't been a doubling of the cost. https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1732879076338131099?t=5FMLGUo-KDss4TeI3ys1WA&s=19
Is this the "...quarter of billion pound...and no-one actually sent to Rwanda..." claims this morning? Also, ISTR the Gooner Filth (?) used to play with "Visit Rwanda" emblazoned on their kit - was this the "Nudge Unit" at work?
Can’t send anyone to Rwanda so let’s send this elderly Italian pensioner ‘home.’ https://news.sky.com/story/italian-...2-years-told-to-leave-by-home-office-13025716
I see Jenrick in his first statement since resignation, says we have too many migrants to integrate into society. This is a country that has a first generation Asian as Prime Minister, a black Home Secretary, whose mother is a migrant from West Africa. Who himself, succeeded two first generation Asians in the post. One wonders if he thought this when he was Immigration Minister, and he sanctioned and oversaw a legal immigration policy where 600,000 people were giving permission to move to the UK last year. Seven times those arriving as refugees and seeking asylum. it also exposes another BREXIT reality. Before we had European migration under freedom of movement. Culturally peoples more like the UK. Sharing common systems and experiences. Economic migrants, more likely to move home once their domestic economies grew under EU membership. People who because if geographical proximity, could literally visit their nations of origin for a long weekend. We now have migrants working and studying in the UK, predominantly from Asia and west Africa. Personally I see no reason why they can’t integrate into Uk society, as their predecessors have done. It seems to me that Jenrick is simply appealing to the old Tory membership and hard right in his pitch for personal advancement. It does seem a paradox that if cultural integration is indeed a real problem. That it has been created by the hard right of the Tory party, because of their policies and desires. That has resulted in legal migrants cultural profile change from European to predominantly rest of the world cultures.
Small boats is a distraction. Johnson's government liberalised immigration more than any other since Blair's decision not to put a funnel on it when Poland et al joined the European Union. You can bet your bottom dollar that had this happened under a Labour government with a Chancellor that subsequently became Prime Minister and couple of Home Secretaries of Indian origin there would be numerous dog whistle headlines about the 250k Indians that came last year, far more than any other nationality. Immigration was obviously a massive factor in the referendum result. I wonder how many of the voters who chose Brexit with that as their key reason would be happy if they were told that more Nigerians came here last year than the whole of the EU combined. I suspect not many... Even when you do look at the small boats issue, they can't be trusted. Someone's crunched the numbers on Sunak's claim that small boat crossings are down by a third over the last year and turns out that actual numbers of people arriving is only down by 16% as bigger boats are being used. Lying has become completely normalised under this government.
Who benefits ? Human rights lawyers . That's who. Migrants ? More like clients. So a few drown in the channel. They don't care as long as enough make it across to keep this gravy train going This charade is a cottage industry You don't like my opinion ? At least I care about those who drown in the channel
Oh , and why I don't forget it Who owns these hotels that are filled to capacity but without the overheads of staff who have been laid off ? . Nice work if you own one of these hotels. Not so nice if you lost your job but hey ....don't complain else the be nice new labour mob will call you a bigot . Vote New Labour. They don't care if you are poor or working class but they say such nice things on X. And that is what counts. What could possibly go wrong ?
It's pretty spectacular stuff, really. Every post a triumph of self-fellatio and passive aggression, and with an on-time expectation as reliable as a Japanese train.
Extremely weird to blame the Labour Party, which has not had its hands on the levers of power for more than 13 years. To put this into footballing context, when Labour were last in Government Birmingham City, Blackburn, Stoke, Bolton, Sunderland, Wigan and Portsmouth were all in the Premier League. Blackpool had yet to come up and go down again. It's literally AGES ago. Everything that is wrong is down to the Conservative party. Nothing to do with you're imagined wokes, or lawyers, no matter how much four pints of Skol will tell you otherwise! It's a crisis created by the Tories specifically for them to exploit. Who profits...? Well, why not ask yourself who enables every single aspect of this entire situation. Who distributes the contracts to the hotels, the security services etc. Pick away at the threads to work out who *actually make the decisions* and why. But no, it's Labour's fault. There's millions of people who actually think like this. People with brains in their heads who either can't – or won't – see how things work and why they work. It's the political equivalent of kicking the cat because the dog weed on the carpet. Amazing stuff.
Then I guess you'd be open to us establishing an immigration office in Calais for migrants to apply for asylum in the UK from France, which would allow them to be bought over safely?
2 important points to highlight: Not sure you can get drunk on 4 pints of Skol And maybe the cat pissed on the carpet cos the dog frightened it, which means at root the dog was to blame. Much like why Labour can be blamed for the Tories’ total 5uck ups.
You can tell it's end of days stuff for this government and its MPs. The Beeb reporting the ERG are hosting a meeting tonight on the Rwanda bill which will be attended by, "...other groups fellow MPs on the Tory right - the New Conservatives, Common Sense Group, Conservative Growth Group and the Northern Research Group." How many fecking groups do they need? Weirdos. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67680524
I bet the ‘common sense’ group are the bizarrest bunch of absolute bounders possible. Oxymorons those with the word ‘research’ in their titles.
Can an MP belong to multiple research groups? Could make an interesting venn diagram. Serious question - can you only have a 2 dimensional venn diagram?
Suddenly it all becomes clear… https://x.com/mrjamesob/status/1734279315020275930?s=46&t=dJMeIix2oCIhjphLJhwpfg
It was still pisswater back then. old joke: why is a pint of Skol like making love in a punt? They’re both 5uck1ng close to water.
