Asylum Seekers To Be Sent To Rwanda

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Apr 14, 2022.

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Is it a good idea to send asylum seekers to Rwanda?

  1. It’s a very bad idea

    14 vote(s)
    45.2%
  2. It’s a very good idea

    9 vote(s)
    29.0%
  3. It’s a dead cat to distract from Partygate

    8 vote(s)
    25.8%
  1. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    You may well be right. But if you wish to live in a society you have to have them.

    Would you pay taxes if you had no influence over how they were spent? Or if you knew that a major part of them would be spent in a manner that would undermine the influence you have? Or the Government's ability to spend them in your interest?

    This whole open borders argument is about undermining society. It is designed to upset and antagonise people who wish to live in a society that is able to exert an acceptable amount of control over the environment in order to protect the people who invest in it with their time, labour and taxes.

    Do you have a door to your home? Do you have a lock on your door? Who do you provide with a key to that lock?

    It is a middle class first world (I use the term ironically) luxury, dosed with ample abounts of hypocrissy, to sit in your home and complain about borders. Whether that is you, I do not know. But it is certainly the apparent profile of many virtue signalling left wing gammons out there in the real world.
     
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  2. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Fair enough . And I assume you are at Glastonbury next week . But trying getting in without a ticket .
    Just Sayin'. Like .
     
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  3. reids

    reids First Team

    What?!
     
  4. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    What ?
     
  5. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Too many "helluva" guys who do nothing but promote their helluva guy image .
    Dead kids tonight ? You betcha. But "hellava guys " say such nice things and hold such
    nice opinions . Doesn't stop dead kids tho ....so to sum up every dead kid tonight is on your
    watch . Well done ....helluva guy . Their mothers will take much solice from your hashtags and
    kind tweets .
     
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  6. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    The EU believe in borders. Ask the governements of Greece and Italy if you think they don't.

    Freedom of movement within the Schengen is merely a means to an end that allows exploitation of the lowest paid (the EU's words not mine), whilst providing the middle class with a jolly distraction.

    They can afford a little spillage of illegals over their internal borders, especially when it facilitates the movement of illegals to a position where they can be exploited by people smugglers who will provide them with a dangerous passage to the UK.

    People may not like my conclusions or beliefs, but I don't think there is anything wrong with my description of the situation.
     
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  7. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    It's no where near as embarrasing as the lefties in this country who igore reality, promote the most unbelievably racist ideologies as the answer to racism, and think that saying that some women have penises is cool.

    But I would never be ashamed of Britain because some people have such beliefs. At least people here can still have a voice against such flotsam and jetsum from minds that seem to be struggling with mental health issues (I will say that whilst these people try to gas light us with this rubbish). In America, people are being threatened with arrest and trial simply for disagreeing with the government's political agenda - parents protesting school curricullums have been placed on terrorist watch lists, and people who have been charged only with trespass have been held for over a year without trial, whilst a guy whom the FBI confirmed had lied to them, went free because he was tried in the right court.

    So yeah. Proud to be British. Proud that we are not part of the brain washed globalist fever dream of communist ideologies that think that 'pretending', shouting loud enough and ignoring the evidence of your own eyes is the optimum way of dealing with reality.

    Very proud indeed. Some of us cherish society and what it can bring to all of us. Someone has to stand up for it, imperfect as it is, because the alternative is an ungoverned world of poverty and lawlessness.

    The ideologies and stated values of the left, at this moment, are a joke. They look absurd, like dogs eating their own poop in the park like its a delicate dish.
     
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  8. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    More insurrection afoot as Colbert's production team unlawfully invade the Capitol. God help them if their footage includes any disrespectful treatment of any of the Capitol's adornments.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/enter...ed-capitol-charged-unlawful-entry/7666558001/

    Sorry, I forgot. They are on the left, and as such will be immune from prosecution for any behaviour that may have beeen described as insurrectionary if performed by a conservative.

    Heck, they probably could have fire bomed Senator Cruz' office, provided Nancy's desk didn't get singed.

    PS Do you guys actually find Colbert funny? I can't think of a single late night political comedian that raises even a titter, be it on the left or the right. But Colbert seems not even to try.



    Usually, lefties seem to mistake 1984 as a maual, but in this case, Colbert seems to have embraced the Hunger Games.

    I laughed. But at him rather than with him.
     
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  9. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Should have mentioned that the first Twitter link above is where she says the quote. Her sheer joy at doing so is quite something.
     
  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I used to thick she was just a bit thick but now I'm certain she's deranged:

    Screenshot 2022-10-05 at 09-41-37 Chris Bryant on Twitter.png

    https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1577349756208267276
     
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  12. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player


    These people are so incredibly cruel and heartless.

    Absolutely no blood in their veins whatsoever.

    Way, way, way beyond anything even someone like Thatcher would do.

    And she's a child of migrants too. You just can't comprehend someone like that.
     
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  13. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I could write a massive post about the Tories and policing since 2010. Easier though just to point out Braverman has announced league tables and targets are to return. They were a New Labour invention, they had a corrosive influence of policing and it took over a decade of hard work from some serious academics inside and outside policing to convince the government to drop them around 2015.

    Take murder. Braverman (on behalf of Truss) wants it cut by 20%. There's no logic behind that arbitrary number being selected and it (only half-jokingly) implies she's happy with 80% of murders continuing.

    Or you'll get crimes like burglary downgraded to criminal damage and theft in the crime recording stats so some middle ranking officer somewhere can massage his burglary figures for the week/month.

    In summary, she's yet another lightweight grasping around with no new ideas.
     
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  14. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I was at a recording of one of these (as a +1 for a, ahem, VIP) and was at the aftershow meet & greet/drinkies. What I found interesting that a lot of cops were also there: the rank and file (both old farts and new blood) were extremely supportive of his, extremely barbed, digs against the Tories politicians but there were a also slightly smaller number of urbane attendees (who I took to be senior officers) observing the various groups and were actively trying to 'talk down' or 'clarify' his comments...
     
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  15. I have a dream. Where a man is not judged by the colour of his skin, but by his mode of transport.
     
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  16. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Put Suella through the exact process she is "dreaming" of. Call it a trial run.
     
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  17. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The fact it's her 'obsession' is all you need to know about how her term as Home Sec is going to pan out.
     
  18. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    I think she should be known by her original name, Sue Ellen - after Sue Ellen Ewing in the TV series Dallas
     
  19. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    What's with this recent trend where the Tories mindlessly repeat US political movements as if they have relevance in the UK?

    When has "defund the police" ever been used with respect for UK policing at any noteworthy level of support?
     
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  20. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Yep. Target based policing is a nonsense and utterly failed, leading to perverse results such as classifying urinating in the street as a Public Order Offence so a quick fine can be dished out, or officers coming in on overtime to see if they can reclassify crimes in the way you said.

    This Tory government have destroyed the criminal justice system, it is completely broken. Victims waiting five years for justice with all the knock on effects of memories fading, witnesses moving away/dying. Also a terrible experience for the defendants who have cases hanging over their heads for years, unable to move on.

    I'm surprised Starmer doesn't make more of this given his background. In reality the Tories are the ones that are soft on crime, they've vandalised the system much as they have various other public services.
     
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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I agree in respect of the last bit. Criminal justice has huge consequences for those involved. Even with a fair wind and a speedy process, it’s very hard and exposing for victims or those subject to it, if justice or rehabilitation are our aims.

    This is one of a number of functions of the state that have run more or less competently for decades and are now in crisis. There is political capital for Labour. Maybe there is simply so much else.
     
  22. reids

    reids First Team

    We've now paid Rwanda £140m for this scheme. Not a single person has yet to be sent or is even close to being sent. What another fantastic use of money.
     
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  23. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    On this basis, if we somehow sent 140 people in the next week they'd effectively have cost the country 1m apiece so far.

    How on earth is this a better option than letting them stay in the country? You could pay them all a ridiculous 50k in benefits a year and we'd still be enormously ahead....
     
  24. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    That would have bought you 300 Riyad Mahrezes back in 2014. He could have bent every single refugee back across the channel with his left peg.
     
  25. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    But only 7.5 Andre Grays. And he’d have shanked them 10 miles back inland. :(
     
  26. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Well if you want to play that game, it would have bought 4 Islam Slimanis. He would have nutted every single one into an NHS surgery waiting room.
     
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  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Just a downtrodden patriot out for a Sunday morning drive in Dover…

    [​IMG]
     
  28. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Christ, is that the actual terrorist?
     
  29. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yup.
     
  30. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    BLM supporting woke leftie...probably.
     
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  31. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    A few righty types like Phil (first name long numbers here) claiming on Twitter that this was a ‘false flag’ op, with the intention of discrediting right wing folk.

    Which is a bit rum really because a - who needs to discredit them and b - who volunteers for a false flag op that requires you to kill yourself?

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  32. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Yeah that is most definitely not a bot account right there.
     
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  33. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Absolutely. But it’s interesting that someone (Vlad?) wants the message put out.
     
  34. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Not really - it's straight out of the "Merchants of Doubt" (or more specifically "Triumph of Doubt") playbook.
     
  35. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s going to be an unhappy story when we hear it all.
     
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