Academy And Under-23s

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  1. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    If they were that good they’d be taken by one of the top clubs !
     
  2. Chewitt

    Chewitt Forum Extraordinaire

    Recently watched the BBC 3 documentary Boot Dreams. Aside from being a decent watch, Gifton Noel-Williams was the “gaffa” and if I remember rightly, it said at the end of the last episode we signed Jordan Fankwe. 19yr old midfielder in the break up play destructive mould.

    Has he featured at all for the Under 23s?
     
  3. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    He's already left and is at Salford now
     
  4. Chewitt

    Chewitt Forum Extraordinaire

    Went well, cheers!
     
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  5. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I love the way they claim from Wolves academy. My backside.
     
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  6. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I fankwe got rid of him.
     
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  7. reids

    reids First Team

    Interesting stat I saw on Twitter today: 97% of former cat 1 academy players now aged 21 to 26 never made an EPL appearance. 70% weren't handed a pro contract at an EPL or EFL club. And only 1 in 10 went on to make more than 20 league appearances in the top four tiers of English football.
     
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  8. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Are these stats much different to before I wonder? England is producing better players these days, but a) **** knows how much (if any) that can be put down to EPPP, and b) obviously anyone who gets close to England level is basically at the top of the tree
     
  9. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    I wonder if there's a higher or lower percentage as you drop down the leagues / categories as the quality gap isn't as wide.
     
  10. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    But likewise, how many players in the academies of big clubs were 'poached' from smaller clubs? The ones left behind at smaller clubs who then don't quite make it at those clubs, are they good enough to make it at a level below? It's not like our recent former youngsters are tearing it up at any professional level
     
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  11. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    If oNlY wE hAd a cAt 1 aCadEMy!!!
     
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  12. reids

    reids First Team

    It's a hard one to gauge. We've got a few recent ex academy products cutting their cloth at various levels:

    JJ McKiernan is at Morecombe in L2
    Dan Phillips is at St Johnstone in the SPL
    George Langston is at Eastleigh in the NL
    Kamil Conteh is at Grimsby in L2
    Sam Dalby is at Wrexham in L2
    Ashley Charles is at Wealdstone in the NL
    Dion Pereira is at Luton (on loan at Sutton - L2)
    Dennon Lewis is at Crawley (NL)
    George Byers is at Sheff Wed (Champ)
    O'Nien is at Sunderland (Champ)

    Our most rated youth talents in recent years (Folivi, Cassidy, Jakubiak immediately spring to mind) are the ones that don't go onto anything really. I can't think of anyone that was poached by a big team that's old enough to judge on their career (other than Sancho) yet.

    But there's an interesting argument to be had - would the players snaffled up by a Cat 1 academy and then later released have developed better and with less pressure if they stayed at their original club and got game-time at a lower level? Is "good" coaching more important than time on the pitch against players battling for their livelihoods?

    All pretty much impossible to answer, but interesting to think about it.
     
  13. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Crawley are 4th in L2. :)
     
  14. reids

    reids First Team

    Turns out he's at Woking (NL) rather than Crawley. No idea how I read that as Crawley!
     
  15. oxhey67

    oxhey67 Squad Player

    Joy Mukena and Harry Forster are both at Crawley now after moving from St Albans and Bromley. That's probably who you meant.
     
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  16. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Plus Dennon Lewis did have a short loan spell at Crawley a few years back
     
  17. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    It's not going well for him at the moment, but you have to say Sancho played his cards very well at the start of his career, got some quality coaching at City before taking a step down in levels to Dortmund. Granted, not everyone will be good enough to step into a Champions League team at age 17, but I think the general idea is good if you can pull it off
     
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  18. reids

    reids First Team

    Aye, trying to rack my head as to who got pinched that I can think of:

    Galvez went to city and is playing loads for their U21 team at 18 years old.

    Romari Forde is playing lots for Arsenal u18s

    Amass and the lad that went to Wolves is too early to gauge.

    Can't think of any others but I'm sure there must be more
     
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  19. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Capped once by Finland already too I see.
     
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  20. goldpapaya

    goldpapaya First Year Pro

    hows adrian blake doing?
     
  21. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    2 goals in 7 games for Utrecht's reserves in the second tier in the Netherlands, good start for him
     
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  22. goldpapaya

    goldpapaya First Year Pro

    is that good? He would have been in the reserves here.
     
  23. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Others in recent years are:

    Remiero Moulton - at Brighton, 17
    James Debayo - at Leeds, 18
    Basilio Rieno Socoliche - Palace, 18
    Bosun Lawal (kind of, not sure if he was nicked exactly) - Celtic, 20 (on loan at Fleetwood in League One)

    Emilio Ballard-Matthews - at Wolves, 15, was mentioned above already, but just adding his name here as well to help keep track.
     
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  24. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I mean, it's a fully professional league, so probably equivalent to League 2 here, much better than rotting in the reserves with us
     
  25. oxhey67

    oxhey67 Squad Player

    Travis Akomeah, 17 > Chelsea
    Josh McNamara, 19 (g/k) > Manchester City (signed for Southampton in June)
     
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  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    U21's getting tanked. 0-3 after 35 mins at Swansea.
     
  27. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Looks like we like doing it the hard way. 3 goals in 6 minutes. Now 3-3!!
     
  28. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Looks like we are doing it the Watford way. From 0-3 to parity but now behind again

    Now where have I heard that before recently hmm?
     
  29. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Now 4-4.
     
  30. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Ohhhh hello! 4-4

    The future’s bright after all lol
     
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  31. oxhey67

    oxhey67 Squad Player

    todays u21 highlights

     
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  32. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Hat trick for JJ McKernan for Morecambe at Colchester.

    Is he still with us or let go?
     
  33. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    We let him go unfortunately. Would have been good for us in L2 in 25/26.
     
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  34. reids

    reids First Team

    He chipped in with a fair few goals from midfield at Eastleigh as well if my memory serves me correctly. Rest of his game was pretty poor though!
     
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  35. poakley

    poakley Academy Graduate

    John Joe O’Toole MK II
     
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