[SIGNED loan] Henrique Araujo

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  1. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    It took Archer 64 minutes of football before looking miles better than Araujo has so far for us when we played them.
     
  2. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Araujo assisted Sarr at Reading and looked very good in that first half. He had only played 45 mins at Boro prior to that. Not saying he is the answer or is better than Archer but he's not had much of a chance since Reading.
     
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  3. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Sorry, this is nonsense and clearly bias confirmation just to back up your hunkered down position now many people are questioning you.

    Araujo looked good against Reading. That’s just a fact.

    But cool - many of us are glad you’ve nailed your colours to the mast so early. You’ll try and wriggle if you’re proved wrong, undoubtedly. But your words have left very little ability to back that up.

    I’m excited to see how this plays out.
     
  4. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Oh, mate.
     
  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Been having some target practice..



    Sort of !
     
  6. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    To be fair to him, in the games he's played so far, he's had a lot of physical attention from centre backs and not had much protection from refs. There are a couple of times where he was never going to get a free kick but a lot of them were fouls that weren't given. There was a moment in one game (Blackburn I think) where Kamara got to the bye line, Araujo had the run on the defender at the near post and he just grabbed his shirt for a second before letting it go. So it looked like he arrived a fraction too late for a tap in but actually he'd timed his run perfectly.

    The only time I was really disappointed with him was when he came on at Burnley - we were under a lot of pressure and hoofing it long. I didn't expect him to win headers but I did think he should've put them under pressure when we'd turned the defenders so they were facing their own goal. He could've made them play back to the keeper or knock it out for a throw but he didn't bust a gut to do so. Having said that, could've been tactical instructions to forget about the ball and get back into shape...

    Also think that playing as the one upfront in Spain/Portugal is very different to the Championship where more often than not, you'll have some Northern clogger all over you as soon as you get the ball.
     
  7. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    For those having a pop at me, Bilic seems to have less faith in him than even A55ombalonga.

    An air-swipe from 2 yards out at the end there from him - really showing off his finishing.
     
  8. ShushV2

    ShushV2 Academy Graduate

    bilic also takes off louza, what a genius
     
  9. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Because it's his first start back from a long injury and we can't risk getting him injured again. Considering how many injuries we and Louza have had that was an obvious decision and probably pre-planned for the sake of him not overdoing things.
     
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  10. ShushV2

    ShushV2 Academy Graduate

    lost the game at that moment. also Davis has had no goals since October how is he the answer
     
  11. reids

    reids First Team

    And it's been over 1000 minutes of time on the pitch since Davis last scored. Bayo still has the same amount of goals as him ffs
     
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  12. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    It had to be done given it was Louza's first start and he's only getting back to fitness. Cry all you want about it but that's that. We still should have drawn anyway.

    Davis not being able to score doesn't negate Araujo also not being good enough - their performances are mutually exclusive.
     
  13. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Sorry, but that doesn't correct your original comment.

    Davis still can't finish - I'm not disputing that. But your post said that Araujo would, but he's not been able to either.

    As an aside, on the last point you make - at the rate Araujo and Davis are going we might have just been better off with keeping Bayo. As with Araujo he's also incapable of holding the ball up, but as you indicate he was at least sometimes alright when it fell to him in the box.

    We needed to sign an upgrade on Davis in January, it doesn't appear that we have.
     
  14. reids

    reids First Team

    I'd be willing to bet that given the same amount of mins played Araujo would comfortably outscore Davis.
     
  15. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Now with teams who on paper aren't as good as the likes of Sheffield United and Burnley, I wonder if Araujo will be given a chance? Or does Bilic really not rate him?
     
  16. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    An untreated fence post would outscore Davis.
     
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  17. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    He’s crap. Who’d’ve thought it?
     
  18. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Well done for recognising that your original comment has been proven incorrect, so that now you need to make up a new bet which you're less likely to be either proven or disproven on.

    Bayo and Adeyemo would both probably outscore Davis with the same amount of minutes - but both are about as likely to actually do so.
     
  19. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    He's brought on Assombalonga ahead of him twice in a row now. Tbh even I was a bit surprised Britt came on before him today.
     
  20. reids

    reids First Team

    Nope, I stand by my original comment, so nothing has been proven incorrect at all. Araujo > Davis in terms of finishing. I didn't watch the game today so not sure about the Araujo miss (also seen on social media that apparently Davis missed another big chance), but having watched plenty of clips of Araujos goals + chances, he definitely would've done better from the 2 chances I was referring to previously.
     
  21. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    You said:

    "Would've probably finished the 2 big chances Davis had yesterday."

    He's since had 2 big chances, maybe even 3, and completely fluffed them all.

    The reality completely goes against your original comment.

    Lol, well that helps to explain why you remain so mistaken - the ball fell to him 2 yards out from goal and he took an air-kick at it!

    It was easier than the chance Davis had missed earlier.
     
  22. reids

    reids First Team

    I made that comment on Tuesday. Today was the first game since then - did he really have 2/3 big chances in the 9 minutes he was on the pitch today?
     
  23. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    He had 1 very big chance right at the end today.

    He also had 1 big chance against Blackburn where he bafflingly tried (and failed) to pass to Sarr instead of finish it himself.

    1 + 1 = 2

    He also had a decent chance at 39 minutes against Reading which he put wide, but it's debatable whether it's a "big" chance or not.
     
  24. reids

    reids First Team

    So he hasn't had 2 big chances since I wrote that comment then..
     
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  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I don't see that it matters when they were - the point is he has had at least 2 and fluffed them all.
     
  26. reids

    reids First Team

    Well it does cos that's what your dragging of my previous comment was about...

    The reality is he's played 9 minutes and missed a solitary chance since that original comment.
     
  27. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    What, you don't think 9 minutes is more than enough time to get a full picture? Bizarre idea!
     
  28. reids

    reids First Team

    Boot him out for not scoring a hat-trick in that time imo.
     
  29. HalfbrickWFC

    HalfbrickWFC Academy Graduate

    So what if he's missed a few chances? This is the problem with some Watford fans. They prefer a striker like Davis doing absolutely nothing and ghosting the entire game rather than one who's active and at least gets into right positions, even if they miss sometimes.

    Araujo may not be the best, like Bayo wasn't either, but they both at least generate play and can get on the end of service given/get in behind. Davis is just there jogging around pitch doing f all all game other than complaining at teammates.

    Over a long run of games Araujo would no doubt outscore Davis as has the activity to get himself in the right positions.
     
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  30. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    This right here is why you're a pro.
     
  31. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    People above are literally criticising Davis because he keeps missing good chances in recent games even though he's got in to good positions...

    People were desperate for Bayo to be gone because even though he could get on the end of chances, his all-round game and link-up play was terrible.

    Araujo hasn't yet shown that his is any better either.

    It was basically:
    Davis - link-up play is alright, can't finish
    Bayo - link-up play was terrible, was alright at finishing
    Araujo - no evidence yet that he's any good at either link-up play or finishing.
     
  32. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    I hate to state the bleeding obvious but is it too much to ask for one of our forwards to be able to score?
     
  33. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    What difference does it make when the chance happened?

    The chance Davis could have done better with which people have criticised him for happened after only 10 minutes!

    Nonsense - your comment was clear: you stated that if Araujo would get 2 big chances similar to the ones Davis has missed that he'd convert at least one. He's had 2 big chances similar to the ones Davis has missed and he's converted none. He's not been any more clinical.
     
  34. reids

    reids First Team

    People are (rightfully) criticising Davis for the misses he's consistently made in the last 14 games or however long he's gone without a goal, racking up 18 shots and 2.04 goals in that timeframe (doesn't include todays chances either) rather than a solitary 10 minute spell.

    I said he probably would've scored those exact chances - 0.31 and 0.23 xG chances. Those 2 chances alone total almost Araujos entire xG for us so far. Araujo has taken 4 shots (for 0.47 xG) so far and the chances he's taken that you said were huge were anything but. The shot against Reading that he put wide was only 0.05 xG. Tight angle, under pressure, weak foot.

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    The "big chance against Blackburn where he inexplicably chose to pass to Sarr":

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    Doesn't actually look like that great of a chance to me considering it's from a tight angle with a defender in the way of any potential shot.

    I've now watched the "horror" miss today



    Maybe he could've done better, but can see why he struggled - he had half a second to react to the deflection so had to adjust his position and balance (and you can see he was off balance if you pause it before going in for the 50/50 with the defender. That's probably why the defender also didn't get any/much contact on it for the same reasons.

    Araujo may very well fail to adapt (or we fail to play to his strengths) and end up being a dud - it's entirely possible and I'm not denying that. But to write off his finishing ability after 4 shots (and 1 airshot) or him after barely 180 mins played is lunacy.
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2023
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  35. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    No less lunacy than your stating he's this supposedly clinical finisher based off the same evidence.
     

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