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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

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    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Moose will be horrified by the misogyny you express in your judgement of women by the way they look. No wonder the Labour party has never had a woman leader.

    Oh no, sorry, the boys on here are only worried about feminine issues when it's the tories. Carry on with your your man-bigotry. But please note my objection. I am a changed man.
     
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  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Clearly never happened or they would have been prising Johnson off her like an Afghan Hound shagging your Dad’s leg.
     
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  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Tory excuses, vol 497…

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  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  5. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

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  6. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    It's the unspoken assumption that it's OBVIOUS that BoJo would be put right off his stroke (sic) by such antics that really puts into context how he's viewed by his own side.
     
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  7. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    The threat was, as reported on R4's PM, that de Pfeffel would:

    Which doesn't strike me as a ringing endorsement of the privatisation process.
     
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  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  9. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

     
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  10. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Why don't you buy shares in the company that gets the job? You may get some tangible benefit from Brexit.

    #YouLostLetItGo
     
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  11. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I'm just alarmed that the guy didn't seem to accept the concept of a gender-non-specific lavatory and immediately attempted to leave when he was scared by the presence of a woman in his lavatorial space. What a trans-phobe.

    I also love that he is talking 'to her' using an elitist persona. I mean, who refers to things on the internet as pictures, and downstreaming? Other than ordinary people in their forties and above who are not obsessed with the world wide web and only have a rudimentary feel for what goes on on it. How condescending and very Labour.

    Yet again. Trying to belittle the ordinary people who are not as savvy as he and his mates, who will laugh at the video, are. The left still refusing to take on board the reasons why the ordinary people they used to represent now despise them.

    Oh, and the guy, for all his savvy and pompous elitism, doesn't seem to have figured out why people use VPNs. Mainly because regulations placed on companies mean that a country can actually make Internet services in their territories comply with national law, and different services are provided uniquely to different places. In other words, you can potentially make the UK internet the safest 'internet' in the world; even if those with a VPN can voluntarily 'opt out'. Perhaps his approach to that one should actually have been "how are you going to censor the internet?"

    Another self defeating, unfunny, elitist piss take of ordinary people by remainers and lefties.

    Those guys either have no shame, or lack the sense to see themselves the way everyone else, other than their allies, see them.
     
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  12. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    I unhid your comment for once.

    Are you suggesting that it's OK the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport doesn't know the common terminology because because there are some other older people (forties? seriously ? what 40 year olds do you know?) who are also uninformed?

    Should the foreign secretary not know any more about foreign countries than the majority of the general population? (recently she didn't know the difference between the balkans and baltics though) The defence minister shouldn't know any more about the military than your average punter because that would make them elitist?

    Anti-intellectualism really has grabbed you by the balls
     
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  13. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    It is anti-elitism that is currently tickling my balls. And I can explain it if you can resist putting me back on ignore for a moment...

    I know plenty of people forty up who have little clue of what the exact terminology is, and a good few much younger too. I work with people predominantly in their twenties/early thirties in a large department (over a hundred and fifty people, and I am well know for knowing and mixing with pretty much all of them - sorry, but I am a very sociable person, and I get on with most normal human beings), and I would say that all of them know what they can do with the Internet, but few of them have all the terminology off to pat, and are wilfully ignorant of what they see as unnecessary 'techy' stuff. They know they have got NetFlix, but they don't necessarily understand that they are watching a stream. Download, streaming, down streaming, what is the difference as long as you get to see your movie? I'm in my mid fifties, but even the youngsters come and ask me about tech stuff because they think I will know about it (which is not always the case). I haven't got a clue about social media, because I avoid it like the plague, but they know how to use it and what they can do with it, but have no idea how it actually works.

    I would say that if everyone you know is totally genned up on all the language of the internet, then you are probably not mixing in particularly broad circles. Many of even the youngsters have absolutely no interest in it what-so-ever.

    And you have completely missed my point about elitism. She is clearly talking to ordinary people. She is using language that ordinary people can not only understand, but also relate to, because all the techno babble is confusing to them, and here you have an elitist thwat taking the piss out of someone who ordinary people see as talking at their level, which is something that may not happen very frequently when spoken to by a politician. Sorry to make the political point, but it is a serious problem for people on the left (at the momentt) that they cannot relate to other people, no matter how many times they have it spelled out to them, they still think they know better. Don't take the piss out of ordinary people, because it will lose you trust and votes. It is as simple as that.

    I have often heard it said, though it is not ideal, that when a minister takes on a role, it is not required that they have an immediate in depth knowledge of the subject they are taking on, because they have a mass of Civil Servants who will brief them and handle the data. The media love these questions that catch people out, because they know what the situation is. There is something in it, but it is not the end of the world if someone gets a question wrong. It's not perfect. It happens to tories, it happens to Labour, it happens to everyone.

    I think getting a question wrong on a subject you may not have been briefed on, is probably not such a bad thing as going in front of the media to big up your own policies, whilst criticising another partiy's policy, when you have not informed yourself of your own details, and cannot even identify realistic financial figures required to achieve it, a al Abbott, or Sunak's disaster when he couldn't repeat what Boris had said regarding what a woman is, despite saying that he agreed with it. I think there is a big difference between the two types of ignorance, but yes, ignorance they both are.

    I have nothing against intellectualism. I love true intellecuals, and most that I have met in my life, no more than a handful I would say, have been what I think most people would say were lefties. I have a great deal against people who consider themselves intellectual simply because they had a "better" education than the majority of the rest of the world. Intellectuals are far rarer than most people think. See the difference between Jordan Peterson and Cathy Newman. Peterson, just from his references to the research and ability to understand how it relates to the world, is clearly an intellectual. Cathy Newman is intelligent and knowledgeable, but everything she said in that interview was subject to an agenda, and that is not the act of an intellectual. Yet she is described as an intellectual. She is not. The left has plenty of intellectuals, but many of them, at the moment, are being called racists and bigots by left wing 'intellectuals' who are scared of opposing views and information. They call themselves intellectuals, but they are in fact anti-intellectuals, in exactly the same way that the modern left wing racists call themslves anti racists, whilst persuing the most racist ideologies imaginable. You will be hearing more about this over the next few years, as I fancy a veil is about to drop before everyone's eyes regarding the current behaviour of the sickeningly intollerant left.

    That you call me anti intellectual, for calling out an idiot who does not understand he is distancing himself further from ordinary people by criticising someone who speaks as they do, is indicative of how the left react to contrary arguments. It also proves my point about how the left cannot currently comprehend people they have little association with, but desperately hope will vote for their party at the next General Election.
     
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  14. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team


    So lots of people are confused by the terminology, and Dorries deliberately used the wrong word that no one uses because that way it would be clearer to understand for everyone. Right.
     
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  15. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    No. But it is possible. I would have thought that a more obvious argument for you would have been to criticise her for cynically using the simplified language to appear more 'of the people', which did occur to me, but I think she was being genuine with her language. Either way, the guy comes across as an naive elitist Bell end, because he is mocking the type of language that many ordinary people will recognise, understand and sympathise with.

    It is interesting to hear you say no one uses the word. I would suggest that the majority of ordinary people, who use but are uninterested in the workings of the internet, would come up with similar, if not entirely the same language. She was speaking in parallel terms, which is how most people speak when talking about the internet, because they do not know the exact terminology.

    Try this today. Speak to ordinary, non internet savvy, people about the internet whilst you are at work, without leading questions, and see how many of them use the exact terminology. Then take anyone to task that does not, and see if you make yourself more popular or less popular. See if they think you are being reasonable.
     
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  16. Bwood_Horn

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  17. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    I live abroad now. At work everyone speaks English as their second language and I think they would still make fun of anyone who said downstream.

    There are no non internet savvy people at my work though to be fair. Everyone is under 70.
     
  18. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    No wonder you have such a blinkered and unworldly view of the rest of the world, particularly the UK, then.

    Thank you for explaining.
     
  19. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Bring on a year of inquiries after ‘there was no porn’, ‘how was I to know it was porn’ type Tory denials.
     
  22. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Nadine Dorries noisily rustling a copy of Readers Wives because she couldn’t figure out how to downstream it on her iPad.
     
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  23. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    My daughter threw out my framed copies (hanging in the toilet) of Enrazzelment and the Enrazzelment calender as they were "...demeaning...":

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  24. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    In other news... The global economy is on the verge of meltdown, WW3 is bubbling along nicely, the oceans are full of plastic, ancient woodlands and badger setts are being destroyed in Buckinghamshire to make way for a train line that will go trillions over budget... Etc etc
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    And I think we can all agree thank fark the hopeless thickos in Westminster are distracted and can’t make any of that worse. Just need someone to gag Truss and we’re good.
     
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    reids First Team

  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  28. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    You do have to laugh at those that still stick up for this corrupt lot, it's almost cult like at times which is ironic considering they despise Corbyn and his mob.
     
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  29. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Meanwhile, someone's made a quick edit (see bold) of his wiki page to include ...

     
  31. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Yet another example of Johnson deliberately misleading the HoC:

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  32. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    I don't think he's now got a third-leg to stand on.

    He used to be a farmer so barnyard action could be his thing.
     

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