The B Word

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by sydney_horn, Sep 29, 2021.

  1. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I wonder which way he voted? He mentioned he grew a smaller crop than usual since he anticipated issues, which would seem to imply he wasn't a fantasist about the whole thing.
     
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  2. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Project fear fake news I'm afraid?

    Who here thinks he lost £90,000 because of the way the article is written? He didn't. He made a profit, or it would have been spelled out. He sold 80% of his crop.

    And who here thinks that every farmer sells 100% of their crop every year? Yeah. In your sylvanian EU-UK fantasy land maybe.

    He just needs to do what he says he is doing in the article. Consider an alternative crop. The guy seems quite level headed and open to having to change tack. He does not seem to be complaining, even if the reporter seems to be making up gripes on his behalf.

    This won't be the first time he has had a crop that didn't work out, and is likely far more used to having to dip and dive around decisions on what to plant each year than remainers would like us to know.

    There is not much new here. He sold 80% of his crop. He is now thinking of a new strategy.

    I look forward to the day that remainers learn to read an entire article they link to on here.
     
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  3. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    He is clearly able to look at a sutuation without being caught in the headlights.

    Even given the fact he couldn't sell 20% of his beetroot crop, a potential £90,000, there is no suggestion that he actually lost money; and we know that if he had, it most certainly would have been brought up. People should maybe have some confidence in the resilience and business accumen of our UK farmers.
     
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  4. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

  5. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Becoming an issue further afield.
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  6. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    And it's been reported that many EU haulage companies and drivers are now reluctant to take on UK deliveries. It's hardly surprising when, not only does it cost them in extra time, they are treated appallingly too.

    It's another case where it's not just Brexit but also the government's total lack of preparedness, despite having 6 years to get their **** together.

    That's why I really can't understand how those that voted for Brexit can still support this government.

    I don't think anyone can "make Brexit work" but there are a lot of things we could have done to mitigate the issues and this government has totally failed to do them.
     
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  7. It really has got to the point where anybody clinging onto the notion that brexit is good can be filed under "creationist" or "flat earther".

    And equally pointless to argue with.
     
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  8. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    No. Would rather still be out of the EU than in it.

    The Earth is round.

    There is no God.
     
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  9. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Levelling up?

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  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Labour Authorities have been particularly badly hit.

    Very clear that ‘levelling up’ money goes to Tory areas. It’s a disgusting state of affairs and a betrayal of the people by the Government, elected to govern for all.
     
  11. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Could be wrong on this, but aren't they still receiving EU structural funds for the next three years or so, which do not appear to be included in those calculations.

    The EU are required to fulfil their fanancial commitments, just as the UK is required to do so.
     
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  12. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  13. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The EU payments end 2023 latest, so do not cover beyond that.
     
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  14. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Thank you for confirming that they have not been taken into account with regard to the above misleading post.

    I just hope you don't come under fire for supporting one of my arguments.
     
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  15. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Back to highlight an interesting point.

    Whose example are we following? And who is it that has been deferring asylum seekers, genuine ones coming out of war torn countries (not the economic migrants we will be sending), to Rwanda to await processing, for many years now?

    I give you the EU...

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/2...s-are-pushing-refugees-all-the-way-to-rwanda/

    Comments please, remainers and virtue signallers...
     
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  16. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    As evidenced previously, I am always ready to post a relevant point of info even if others mistakenly decide I am making a partisan point on such occasions.

    On this specific issue, the crux will be levels of funding allocated after this initial round.
     
  17. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    "Like a bald man masturbating alone into an open pedal bin, Boris Johnson’s Brexit Britain disgusts itself. And yet, despite being observed on the gents’ toilet’s security camera that is the modern world stage, it continues its abasement unabashed"....

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...y-brexit-britain-is-turning-purple-with-shame

    "Meanwhile, Johnson has been belatedly fined for the first of the lockdown breaches he lied to parliament and the British public about. He should, of course, resign, but clings on, like a sheet of shatted toilet roll stuck to the sole of the national shoe."
     
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  18. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I thought Brexit wasn't about immigration?!

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  19. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    This shows the difference between a trade deal (TCA) and being in the CU/SM. A lot of people were confused about this before but the figures don't lie:

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    Notice the reference to small businesses struggling disproportionately. They are the ones that normally generate the most growth. Their failure makes any long term rebound far less likely.
     
  20. How many times, it's not about economics! (He said, smashing up his gran's treasured piano to use as firewood)
     
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  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It was about two sorts of thinking on immigration, take back our borders and no more immigrants whatsoever and immigration as an economic bargaining chip for (the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg’s) global capital.
     
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  22. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Still desperately trying to tell leavers why they voted for Brexit!!

    At least we know why you guys voted against it.

    Free movement to facilitate middle class tourism and the exploitation of low paid workers to mitigate the negative effects of a collective currency.

    The ability to buy cheep gear from the EU, and allow globalist conglomerates to maximise their profiteering and power empire building.

    The formation of an EU army to protect us from Putin, who is struggling enough with Ukraine.

    Federalisation of Europe to form a super state.

    The facilitation of EU involvement in domestic democracy.

    Socialists, every one of you, to a man.

    Power to the people comrade my RRs. Comes across more like a bunch of fascists, per Tony Benn's worst fears and warnings about the EEC/EU.

    Does somebody want to call me 88?
     
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  23. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Brexit has caused 6% inflation on food according to analysis:

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-in-u-k-food-prices-and-lifts-cost-of-living

    As the article says, this disproportionately impacts the poorest in society.... again.

    It's the poorest that will lose out when local funding is cut, with overseas traveling becoming more restrictive/expensive , when attempting to migrate, when looking for education opportunities through Erasmus, when trying to start a small business etc etc.

    The rich will be fine.
     
  24. Taking back control. You ******* idiots.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61259832
    The government has delayed introducing more checks on EU goods entering the UK over fears it will disrupt supply chains and add to rising inflation.

    New import controls on EU food products had been due to begin in July.

    The government said "it would be wrong to impose new administrative burdens and risk disruption at ports" at a time of higher costs due to the war in Ukraine and rising energy prices.

    It is the fourth time it has delayed EU import checks since the UK left the EU.

    Brexit opportunities minister Jacob Rees-Mogg said the government was reviewing how it would implement checks on EU goods and "the new controls regime will come into force at the end of 2023".

    He claimed that the delay would save British businesses up to £1bn in annual costs.

    Mr Rees-Mogg said it would have been "an act of self-harm" if the government had decided to go ahead with the import controls.

    He said the checks would have brought "quite significant" price increases for people at a time when the government was "trying to reduce costs."

    These would have included a "71% increase - maximum level - on the retail price" of small deliveries like cheese.

    He said: "You would have been adding potentially £500 of costs on a shipment of fish fingers, that then falls through to the consumer."
     
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  25. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Sounds like they have reviewed the situation and taken control of it to me.
     
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  26. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Incredible isn't it?!!

    In effect JRM is admitting that implementing the Brexit import controls will cost £1bn per 6 months.

    And what does it mean to not have any import controls? Well the most obvious is that the EU will have continued unfettered exports to us while our exporters have to complete reams of paperwork and face long delays exporting to the EU countries.

    It's a huge competitive advantage to EU countries, who will face less competition from our business in their market, while their businesses will still be able to supply our market at minimal cost.

    And there are other impacts. Without veterinary controls, there is an increasing risk of diseased animals being let in and devastating our farming industry (remember foot and mouth?).

    Also other nations, that do have their exports to the UK checked, will have a case under WTO "most favoured nations" scheme to be given the same unfettered access as the UK.

    For once this is not just down to Brexit but is just as much about the governments unpreparedness for it. From almost the day of the referendum, the EU started to build the infrastructure, recruit staff and implement systems required to deal with extra customs work they faced importing from us.

    The UK government knew what was coming too but failed to prepare for it and are continuing to kick the problems that Brexit has created down the road. And UK businesses and citizens will suffer the consequences of their incompetence.
     
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  27. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    A couple of weekends ago I travelled on the Eurotunnel and saw with my own eyes the extent of the scale and level of organisation involved in stacking the lorries up on the M20 just past Maidstone Services. I also spoke to a couple of beleaguered, baffled drivers in the terminal.

    I've been criss-crossing the channel half a dozen times a year for 20 years and have never seen disruption like it. Two lines of lorries stretching for 15 miles waiting while they get slowly filtered through the checks. I saw a little police station in a portacabin but no facilities for the drivers.

    We can deny its impact all we like but when you see it, it's clear it's a chaotic barrier to the free trade the free marketeers herald. It's baffling, really, to take a major step to isolate a nation (the UK, for the avoidance of doubt) and make everything more difficult and more expensive without having anything lined up to replace it first.

    The two drivers I spoke to – one Dutch, one Hungarian – both had a battle-weary look on their faces. The Dutchman was driving an empty lorry back (nothing to take) and said he wouldn't be returning to the UK again and would stick to criss-crossing France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany. The Hungarian chap was new to haulage and this was his first trip to the UK as a lorry driver. He asked me if it's always like this. I said it didn't used to be. He said he'd been in the stack for almost 12 hours and that he now knew why his friends/colleagues did everything they could to avoid coming to Britain.

    Of course, this is "ALL bEcaUSE of P&o FerRies", despite the fact the system has been in place for months.
     
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  28. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Then there's the millions spent on upgrading Thanet Way (A299) and Ramsgate/Sandwich Way (A256) so that truckers have unfettered access to the massive lorry park at, what used to be Manston (Kent International) airport, and can have their access to Dover controlled...

    I can only assume that the reason we haven't been 'done' under WTO rules is that other countries refuse to believe that the farcical situation at our borders is true...
     
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  29. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I remember some on here explaining how tariffs weren't a big deal and a trade deal would sort it out.

    Non tariff barriers to trade (NTBs) were dismissed as project fear and not something to worry about.

    Now we can see what NTBs are and why they are far more important than tariffs. The only way to remove them is to be in the same trading market within the same customs territory. They are not going anywhere otherwise.

    If we had not gone hellbent into the hardest of Brexits and considered the softer Brexit of staying within the CU/SM, all the issues at our ports, and with Northern Ireland, would not be happening now.

    Brexit was never going to make things better, imho, but it really didn't have to be this bad.

    The ideology of the ERG and UKIP, backed by the fear within the Tory party, got us here.

    I have no doubts whatsoever that the UK people would have been united behind a soft Brexit where we would have retained unity on trade with the EU while leaving the political union. A compromise for both leave and remain voters that would have worked for the country.
     
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  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    projekt feer m8
     
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  31. Man in huge passport queue at Malaga airport claims he didn’t vote to leave the EU to be treated like someone from outside the EU

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    A man sitting in a huge passport queue for non-EU travellers at Malaga airport has today insisted he didn’t vote for Brexit just so he could be treated like someone from outside the EU.

    Derek Williams, 72, is returning from a short break with retired friends to Spain, but has been left dismayed by the huge queues for non-EU travellers leaving Malaga.

    He told us, “This isn’t what Brexit is all about. I voted to take back control, not to be sat in a queue for a couple of hours for no reason whatsoever.

    “Look, LOOK, that Irish family from our hotel just swanned right past to the EU gates and are probably now sat airside enjoying a beer and a leisurely lunch.

    “When I voted for Brexit, I did it to stop all those foreigners getting in and out of our country so easily, I didn’t vote for it so it would be harder for me to get in and out of theirs, that’s just stupid.”

    Meanwhile, non-morons have pointed out that such inconveniences were long predicted by people campaigning against Brexit, but that unfortunately a ‘real future inconvenience’ paled into insignificance against ads depicting entirely fictional hordes of Syrians heading to the UK through Turkey.

    Derek remains adamant that voting for Brexit was the right thing to do, telling us, “I can live with a few hours queueing in the airport if it means all the foreigners stop coming to the UK.

    “Wait, what do you mean migrant numbers from outside the EU have doubled since Brexit? No, that can’t be right. What?! We’re expecting the largest ever number of foreign migrants into the country this year?

    “This isn’t the Brexit I voted for!”
     
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  32. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Ah, my favourite game: real or The Onion?
     
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  33. NewsThump:p
     

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