I personally dont think RB is a priority right now, I dont know anything about him but he must be pretty good if he is being bought to go straight into the first team squad.
Splendid. Scotland been a happy hunting ground for us recently, what with our generous bids for Ferguson, Doig and that Croatian bloke at Rangers. Rated £3m? We'll have bid under £1m.
Provides for good content though. Each of our bids seems to have steam coming out of their ears as they grumble about us disrespecting the league.
It’s extremely prissy of clubs to moan like this. Do we believe Aberdeen simply offer whatever Ross County’s valuation is when they buy a player? If they don’t want to accept an offer they don’t have to.
And they don't! What seems to be annoying them is that we're so far away from their valuations they think the bids are derisory.
I’d be more worried if any of these Scottish players we’ve bid for had actually been sold for the fees quoted by their clubs. But no, not one of them afaik.
Well as much as I agree, buying clubs will have a very good idea of how much a player is valued at by their club - either by direct enquiry or through agent(s). I suspect the ill-feeling comes from us knowing the starting point for bids for these Scottish players and then offering 1/3 of that amount. We are likely then told no and given the amount again - and then Gino offers 1/2. Given it’s the SPL, this very likely unsettles the player.
So we should open our bids at the price the selling club values their player ? Take your anti-pozzo glasses off Burnsy !
There was a point when we would have been highly insulted by 500k bids for Sean Murray or Ross Jenkins mk2. And then there was a point a while later when we would have bitten the buyer’s arm off for 500k.
The selling club can't determine "where bidding starts" ? They can just choose to accept or reject. If we say we want £40m for Sarr do you think it would be out of order and deeply upsetting for us if a club offered us £30m ? We'd just reject it if we genuinely don't want to sell for less than £40m.
Why are you so pedantic at the moment? You know full well what I meant. If a club says ‘We value him at £3m and won’t entertain bids any lower than that’ - then by extension the term used is that’s ‘where the bidding starts’. Yes we can bid a fraction of that. But if the club makes it clear that it’s a fruitless endeavour….
Hopefully in the summer other clubs won’t disrespect the forum valuation of Sarr and start at £70m just like nobody messed with the £50m valuation of Chabs.
Ok I've made my point so let's call it a day. Let's see if they sell him for more than where they wanted the bidding to start.
As for Ferguson he should of definitely been snapped up last Summer! His valuation is just rising all the time. Doig possibly too, especially when you look at the failure that is Rose. Thorsby could of gone between 5-6m now it's around 10. All would of added value to the squad. So is Ramsey going to be the next? Rangers getting a bundle from Everton for their young RB doesn't help one little bit.
It’s all Gino does, he low balled for Rose when he was good, low balled Olise way below his reasonable release clause, low balled for Phillips, and all these Scottish players. It’s probably something that comes off 1 time in 100, it’s just a waste of everyone’s time and more than anything makes me think he’s just doing it for show more than anything else. People can then turn round and say “but we tried”, well no, we didn’t really did we?
The club are paying the price for this over and over again. For instance Ferguson and Thorsby should 100% been bought this Summer, Thorsby has had his valuation nearly doubled and Ferguson had 8 goals the last time I looked and now in the international squad. Olise may of not come anyway but it's effin embarrassing on all fronts.
I agree I don’t think Olise would’ve come, but at the same time I don’t see the point in offering £5m when his release is £8m, at the very least if you must offer £5m, when it’s rejected at least offer the £8m. The Phillips one baffles me too, so we apparently offered £7m, put aside whether that’s true or not and if you think he’s worth that, and assume we did,. We all know how Liverpool work, they’d rather end up losing a player for free like Wijnaldum than sell them at it below market price. £7m was never going to be accepted, yet according to the Athletic our business has been done. So A: What was the point of the bid, and B: what’s happened to that money and why aren’t we spending it on someone else? It makes me think most of the time Gino knows he’s wasting his time, but he puts a stupid bid in anyway to see what happens and make him look like he’s trying. When it’s inevitably turned down all the sympathisers can say we tried, but aren’t an attractive club, can’t compete financially etc. when all along we didn’t really try at all. Instead we end up with cheap crap like Rose, which we end up having to replace 6 months later and we end up spending more than if we’d just paid what these players are actually worth to start with.
Spot on. My problem is now that I really couldn't give a flying what happens. It's going to be a rinse repeat situation until Pozzo leaves the club.
Absolutely spot ….. rewind 10 years and this is exactly what frustrated and still frustrates our Udinese supporting friends. It’s just a game to look like they are trying, but they have no intention of buying the player. Our owners are so arrogant they think we can’t see through it. I suspect other clubs hate dealing with us
Think @Burnsy has said something to attest to that in recent times based on what he's heard from people around the club, and I feel like I remember some other source lifting the lid recently in the media and confirming that we're known for being nightmares to deal with and it has been known to put clubs and agents off, as well - obviously, don't just take my word on that, though.
Spurs/Levy are also known to be nightmares to deal with too but still sign some good players. Hard to say how much it actually inhibits our business.
You're right; it is, in fact, impossible to say. Spurs are swimming in a very different pool in terms of attractiveness, with a great deal more money to play with, than us, though, and that will always have an impact. Levy is also known to be a nightmare to deal with for how hard a bargain he usually strikes/insists upon, not for ******* about so much you can't take anything they say at face value/constantly making public offers that are so under their reported value that it's clear from the start they won't be entertained by the selling club, then disappearing into the ether.
Broadly agree on both. I think he is generally considered a tougher seller than buyer although Spurs have made their fair share of derisory offers too. I also think the Pozzos have certain ownership groups that they have enduring relationships with (particularly in Italy) with whom they see eye to eye (Aurelio Di Laurentis comes to mind).
From a totally amateur perspective, and anecdotally, it does seem like they've reached a point where they're very heavily relying, quite possibly to the point of over-reliance, on those few arrangements they have (of whatever nature, given the whole Mogi saga), and outside of that free agents and weird loan and/or buy deals for random players random clubs want rid of.
It does. And Mogi disappears quickly whenever we are in the championship and that just leaves us with Udinese and Free transfers. It’s worked twice so far but I fear for next season effectiveness. This squad ia going to be very underwhelming and yet still relatively high earning once the few remaining assets are sold.
