Watford FC 0- AFC Bournemouth - 06/10/2018

So, now a forum member who is usually anti The Mail and it’s made up stories is presenting us with a link to the rag because it appears to defend Watford FC. It won’t work. The wealthy, retired white racist readership will just see some immigrant, playing for a team owned by a foreigner, hacking down a brave English athlete who plays for a club managed by a young blonde English manager at his/her favourite seaside destination.

 

But wasn't even a penalty! He clearly got the ball.

I've just seen an NBC video of it from several angles too,



but it can only be seen in the States, or via VPN in States.

 

Is this a whoosh? If we are judging on that picture he's gone straight through his leg.

 

He's got the ball, King's leg is behind his.

 

I thought he got the ball as well but I seem to be in the minority. Daft challenge either way though.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot we'd all be crying for a penalty. Stupid tackle to make especially as he was on a yellow. They weren't even guaranteed to score from that position either. From there Javi just needed to contain and he didn't. Felt sorry for Capoue, you could see he was not comfortable at CB. Mariappa coming in sured things up for us and should have been on before half time.

Good time for an international break and we'll hopefully have a full squad for Wolves away. Chalobah needs a start and I wouldn't mind seeing Succesa on for Deeney or Gray.

I am beginning to worry that Javi cannot read a game as its going on.

 

We do. That tackle by capoue on zaha is really going to bite us on the arse this season.

 

He can't. We have a lobotomised goblin for a manager who is incapable of critical thought.

 

Into my heart an air that kills.
Apologies to A.E but the portents weren't good were they when the opposition came out dressed like Loon of yesteryear. Especially cruel scoreline given recent reminiscing.
So it transpired.
Moss was hopeless and should have seen King pulling CK's shirt outside of the box but Kabs was stupid to foul the keeper.Needless booking. Moss is usually hopeless though.
Hideous day.
I hope this is a one off and not a downward spiral
Classy of the AFC fans to be making obscene gestures throughout the match to the disabled supporters.

 

Appropriate that so much of saturday's half time 'entertainment' was spent discussing mental health issues. I'm sure if we have to sit through more of that sh1te again plenty of us will find ourselves being carted off by the men in white coats

 

Mr IBB always drones on and on about Tindall and he's correct.
Nauseating little nit.
Lady next to me brought her five year old for his first game.
Poor lad cried for most of the game and wanted to leave at half time.
Most of the people in the front of the Rookery did.

 

Has he touched the ball by this point because in this photo he is not but he is making contact with the attacker. It looked like a penalty at the time and that is all the ref has to go by so I don't have too many issues with it. The second yellow card was harsh I felt but was not helped by two Bournemouth players running from their own half to tell the ref to book him. I have always felt that players who do that should be booked for ungentlemanly conduct.

 

Well, I just managed to freeze frame a split second after he touched the ball. I tried many times and it was the closest I got. But he did get the ball, and when you see the video, the contact was made with the player, slightly after the ball.

But I agree, it was clumsy and gave the ref an opportunity to give a pen and, of course, he took it. But when compared with the Man Cit one, when I don't think he got the ball at all, it is not right.

 

For someone who won the ball, he made very little attempt at telling the ref that. To me, he looked like he knew exactly what he’d done. I’d be very interested if you can find or show a picture of him touching the ball. Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just all the indications point to him rightfully being penalised.

 

you're mental for still being there to see it!

 

A bit of common sense should have prevailed.

Moss had already penalised Watford by giving the penalty. He then doubly punishes Watford by sending Kabasele off.

And was it really worthy of a second yellow? Any where else on the pitch and it's a foul....end of.

 

This is why the rules have to change. You cannot have complete fairness or a level playing field when officials have the ability to add their own twist to an event. Right now it's on a whim whether a foul in the penalty area is worthy of a yellow card or not.

For that tackle did Watford deserve to concede a penalty AND lose a player? Of course not, it's a ridiculous punishment for the crime.

There should be a rule, if a foul is made in the penalty area and a penalty is awarded, then no further punishment can be given. So basically, if you give away a penalty you will not be booked. Of course a straight red can still be given for reckless play, but that should be the only exception. A penalty is punishment enough.

We may well have lost anyway, but sending off Kabasele ensured it would be a certain defeat and it ruins the game. We don't go to matches to see a referee show. We go to see a good match, contested by two teams of equal numbers. A referee has an obligation, imo, to ensure this is the case. He should always side on that view, and only when he's given absolutely no alternative should he send a player off.

We've always been the victim of this type of injustice, and the only way to stop it, and it would be good for football also, is to have clearly defined laws, so referees are not allowed to give a yellow card, if they feel like it, for penalty awards.

 

Nice use of 'End of'. However, I can't agree. I think Moss was harsh in sending him off, a penalty was sufficient punishment. But in isolation, it looked like a cynical trip from Kabasele and worthy of a yellow. Let's be honest, if he hadn't already been booked, very few would be questioning Moss' decision to book him. I don't like him as a referee but we need to remember he would have been looking at it from behind and without the benefit of ton's of replays from every angle. For me, both of Kabasele's challenges amount to be being worthy of being red carded. His first one was a reckless challenge and a strong caution.

 

I thought Graham Taylor did, too.

 

I don't think I can properly describe how utterly dispiriting the Bournemouth game was. The weather was appalling, Watford were pretty hopeless even before the red card, Bournemouth were their usual cheating selves and Gracia made bad decisions. It's almost enough to put me off football completely, and I've been a Watford supporter since 1963. Players such as Duncan Welbourne or Roger Joslyn would e sent off every week if they were playing today.

 

A case of deja vu. Reminds me of when that idiot Probert completely ruined the game by sending off Angella in literally the second minute of the game........and who was that against again?

 

Yep....we do seemed to be cursed when it's Bournemouth. Apart from that great 6-1 win, and a very good 2-0 away win last season, a lot of things seem to go against when we play them, be it bad luck, bad play or bad officiating.

You mentioned that Probert incident, then there was that last minute Sheff Wed equaliser to give them the Championship, the soft penalty awarded by Michael Oliver in a 1-1 draw (which they missed). The red card on Saturday, the last minute Defoe goal in the 2-2 last season, the time Kabasele laid down to allow Afobe (of all players) to score their equaliser. I'm sure there's probably more things, but they do seem to get a lot of breaks when they play us.

 

For some reason we have started to pump diagonal balls to Deeney from the halfway line or even our own half; our early performances made full advantage of the Deeney-Gray partnership by working the ball wide to at least halfway into the oppo's half, from where we could either play into the supporting central midfielders, or try an overlap, or hit a much crisper and shorter diagonal into one of the front two, giving them more options when receiving. To lay off, play in the other striker, or turn & run at the CB's. It is so easy for CBs to defend an aerial long ball as any minor nudge makes it very difficult for the striker to keep the ball under control.
If that is a result of other teams preventing us playing through Capoue & Doucoure so readily, we will have to change, maybe by starting Delofeu & Pereyra wide of a main central striker, who on what I've seen this season thus far could well be Success.
A revamped midfield to include Chalobah should see us becoming more solid, particularly against the type of counter attacks Muff launched on Saturday.

 

Nothing to do with us missing a hat-full of chances to put the game to bed then?

 

I know it’s all opinions but I don't agree it was a cynical trip at all. The ball was definitely there to be won, although Kaba made a pretty clumsy effort of it and wasn’t well placed to attempt it. It certainly looked like a foul in real time in front of me though.

A cynical trip, for me, is when the attacker is getting away from the defender and there's no chance of winning the ball. Usually (but not exclusively) outside the penalty area. That's the sort of thing that falls under 'stopping a promising attack' in the rule quoted earlier.

If the charge on the keeper had gone unpunished you’re right, I’d have not been questioning a decision to book him for the penalty foul. But only because the two would then count as multiple fouls and given the nature of the first it’d be justified after only 2.

The second yellow was a decision you’d always like to be given in your favour if it was an opponent in the firing line but you’d hardly be feeling hard done by if it wasn’t given.

 

That's correct......that's got nothing to do with the point I was making.

 

Sorry, perhaps I didn’t word it correctly. What I meant was that from the view of the referee, it probably appeared to be a cynical trip. Given that Kabasele had spent 7/8 yards chasing the attacker which looked clumsy at best as well.

 

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I agree, it wasn't a cynical trip. It was a genuine attempt to play the ball. He may have even got to it first, but virtually every attacker on the planet, will go down under that type of challenge and it gives the referee a decision to make.

A good defender has to keep his head and sometimes just let him go and let the keeper make the save.

When it comes to a yellow card, like I said earlier, the laws have to be more certain and not open to interpretation. It's either always a yellow card or it's never a yellow card. Personally I don't think a yellow card should be produced under any circumstance, as a penalty is reward enough. What we need to get away from, for the good of the game, is the situation where Watford lose a player and Liverpool's van Dijk doesn't even get booked for the exact same type of challenge. We need as much consistency as possible, and the only way to can do this, is to take as much "interpretation" as possible away from officials.

 

I wonder if VAR would have made any difference to Moss''s decision to give a second yellow

 

Is it to be used for yellow cards?

 

It could be used for the penalty decision, which would then impact on the yellow card, but I don't think it would have been in this case. It wasn't a clear and obvious error to award the penalty.

 

I'm sure, even using VAR, that decision would not have been overturned. Interesting that if we had VAR on Saturday and they decided to rescind the penalty decision and then obviously the second yellow, Kabesele would probably have been soaking in a nice hot bath by then and not really up for coming back on.

 

Yeah.. spare a thought for those of us who live/work in the Bournemouth area today!

 

Dermot Gallagher has pretty much confirmed, what I've known all along, that Anthony Taylor is a crap referee. He was reviewing the incident when Ashley Young handled the ball from a Newcastle freekick in the penalty area. Anthony Taylor wasn't even watching and gave a goal kick when the ball clearly deflected off Young's arm. If he wasn't going to gave a penalty it was certainly a corner.

Gallagher went on to say about the incident that referees have to take a different angle for this type of freekick, or (and this is the telling bit)...you should use a different official.

 

The curse of Harry the Hornet strikes again, we wont win until the new year.