Watford FC 0- AFC Bournemouth - 06/10/2018

During their rise up the league Eddie Howe is known to have files on all referees and how they react to certain situations. It is a direct decision by Eddie Howe to his players to make the most of info in the files.
He is a good Manager at Bournemouth. Can he do it somewhere else? He is confident, arrogant

 

Arrogant away from the media. Gaining a penalty is a must in most games. This is a direct decision from the Manager.
Then again, they trashed us yesterday. We played as if we did not know their game plan. Christ! Everyone else knows.
This result has been coming since the Man Utd game. The media has us down as ' lazy and naive' yesterday.
Normally the snow arrives here before our annual slide down the table. This year it could be different.
It could be a long cold Winter/Spring for the Hornets.
Let's hope not

 

It rarely ever has. Deeney is not great in the air, the notion that he is is a complete fallacy, and is often dominated by centre backs, yet it's a tactic we've constantly resorted to unsuccessfully over the years.

 

The closer he gets to goal, the worse he is in the air. He's our best header of the ball when we're defending set pieces, but he's not great at flick ons from long balls and he's pretty terrible at attacking crosses.

 

I think he's good when he can get in between the defender and the ball and its at a height where he can bring it down either by chest or thigh as he's strong enough and then can introduce attacking midfielders into the play. But anywhere higher than that (head-height) and forget about it - he's poor in the air and always has been.

 

Agreed.
Players like Ake going to Muff instead of us is probably down to how much money we could afford. Ditto for any top striker or centre-back.

 

Yes.
But top strikers cost very large sums of money, unless you are both very astute and lucky with your scouting system.

 

Did van Dijk get booked when he conceded the penalty against Man City just now? No, didn't think so.

Can someone remind me exactly why Kabasele got a second yellow yesterday?

 

I haven't seen any replays yet, however I was at the game, yesterday we could have done with three central defenders on from the start, Kiko was too far up the pitch and not getting back quickly enough which meant that Bournemouth had the freedom of the left hand side, hence when King skipped down the left for the first he had time to look over and put a pin point cross in. Then when Kabbs went off Mapps should have come on straight away, you wouldn't start a game with Capoue in central defence so why think it ok to put him in after 30 minutes?

The penalty incident it seemed that Kabbs was goalside one second then the next he wasn't, the Bournemouth player was it Wilson went down easily and we are two down!

As has been said we always have one terrible result per season, hopefully this was ours yesterday! As I had a two hour journey after the game I took the opportunity to leave my seat after 87 minutes (usually stay to the bitter end) after paying a quick visit I got from the rookery round to the Vicarage Road corner to find only the small single gate open, I ask you must have been well in injury time and they hadn't even opened the large double gates, they eventually opened them which helped ease the rush! I had to laugh as it seemed they didn't want us to leave!

 

Actually, I think it is more than that: Our approaches to the oppo goal area are ponderous, the final ball often wayward and there is a tendency to pass rather than shoot. Even Doucoure, despite his earlier reputation for shooting from outside the box usually doesn't any more. The running off the ball is frequently poor and so players don't create space or time for themselves. The coach has got a very difficult job on his hands teaching the players how to do these things, it has all been ingrained in our play for years now.
All this was accentuated by Bournemouth, who did all that very well.

 

To be fair, we did it brilliantly at Burnley. If Gracia can somehow get the players to consistently focus on the attacking style we played with in that game, we'll be fine. We have bypassed the midfield too much in games since then.

 

It was because Cook and Smith told Moss to do it and Moss said "oh yeah, nearly forgot lads".

 

Each to their own. I personally find football desperately dull apart from when we are attacking and scoring. I suspect most people agree, that's why so many people get pisssed before the match.

Though I had heard there were some weirdos who watch football for the sport itself. They are the same people who give sky £100 a month to watch garbage like Burnley v Huddersfield in their spare time, and who smell faintly of cabbage.

Not sure why I'd want to watch Munich, Madrid etc when I was born in Watford.

 

To be fair though, VVD should have been booked IMO.

Kabasele was correctly booked.

 

What I’ve never got my head around is when fans of losing teams say it was a privilege to witness how good the opposition were. Some Spurs fans said it about Messi in the week, and some fans on here even said it when Man City dealt us a couple of heavy beatings.

 

Thats us relegated and into administration.

The sooner this season is over the better imo.

At least it ll leave me more time to contemplate upon which phenomenon will ultimately lead to the destruction of humanity.....viral disease spread by semi anthropomorphised chimpanzees, climate catastrophe, or Deeney eating the worlds food supply after a night on the munchies.

 

Can you explain why? If anything Kabasele’s was less of a deliberate foul than van Dyck’s but I don’t think either would have been bookings in the centre circle.

 

It doesn't have to be deliberate to be a yellow. It was careless and a half-hearted attempt at playing the ball. I think thats a yellow card for most ref's anywhere on the pitch personally.

 

I think I'm more depressed that we have to face the bore that is dull and pointless international football for the next 2 weeks than losing to Bournemouth.

 

Anyone watch the Liverpool v Citeh match? van Dijk gives away a penalty for a foul on Sane. The incident was the same as Kabs' tackle on King, yet he didn't receive a booking. This is what infuriates me about football. All the stupid inconsistencies across the board with referees.

We always seem to be on the receiving end of this type of decision. A penalty yes, but there was no need for a second yellow. Jon Moss strikes again. There's a reason I mentioned him as one of the bad ones. He, Mason, Oliver and Taylor the famous four sh1t referees for Watford.

 

Echo, echo. See #323.

 

Yep. No idea why international football can’t be normal midweek like in the 1980s. Tin friendlies and this new nonsense competition. Now we have to listen to 2 weeks of that numbnut Southgate dribbling on about “the way we want to play” before selecting Dier or Henderson.

 

I get it's a bit boring during this time for football fans, however, it's vital for a team like Watford. We always need that time to get players rested and I think these mini breaks are quite useful for us.

 

Perhaps. But given we normally last only a few rounds in the cups and aren’t in Europe we really should be able to cope with a game a week!

 

Deulofeu on corners, I say.

 

Muff played a first rate pressing game.

Wilson & King were right up on our centre backs who were forced into passing to each other. Doucoure didn’t really step in to help so our Hoddle playmaker duties were left to Foster & Cathcart.

Hoof to Deeney was the result.

 

Here is the section in the guidelines to applying the Laws of football from the FA website:

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:

• attempts to deceive the referee e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)
• changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission
• commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence
• commits a foul or handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
• commits a foul which interferes with or stops a promising attack except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball
• denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by an offence which was an attempt to play the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick
• handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful) or in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent a goal
• makes unauthorised marks on the field of play
• plays the ball when leaving the field of play after being given permission to leave
• shows a lack of respect for the game
• uses a deliberate trick to pass the ball (including from a free kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands
• verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart

Point 5 and 6 are the ones that apply. To book Kabasele the ref would have to consider that either he wasn’t making an attempt to play the ball or it was an obvious goal scoring opportunity. In my view he was and it wasn’t.

 

We should, but we have the oldest squad in the Premier League, with the average age of 29 years and 7 months. We probably need those mini breaks just as much as anyone, as our squad is small and older than our competitors.

 

Good q.

Chelsea fans out on loan?

 

What about 4? Surely regardless of intent, you can see that Kabasele committed a foul to interfere/stop a promising attack? That’s the one that sticks out clearly to me. Because that’s exactly what he did IMO.

Edit - I now see that point 4 relates to point 5. However, as much as I don’t believe Kabasele purposely took him out as it’s beyond silly knowing it would be a penalty and red card. So yes, he was attempting to play the ball. But from the angle he came at, it was extremely unlikely so I would say it was a silly challenge that warranted a yellow card. It’s easy for any defender to truthfully claim he was going for the ball but the referee has to consider the likeliness of success at that attempt. If it’s only a 10% chance say, then it’s worthy of a yellow card I think.

Don’t get me wrong. I think just a penalty should always be the punishment in this case - I made a point last week on a thread that punishments far outweigh the crime most of the time in the penalty box. I just think in this day and age, most referees book Kabasele, regardless of it being Jon Moss, Bournemouth etc.

 

I'm sure the rules protect the referee for giving a yellow card. However, I get the feeling he wanted to do it, so we were down to 10 men. He could have easily not produced a card and nothing would have been said.

On the same weekend, we've seen the same incident receive two different outcomes from an official. At Watford it's a second yellow, at Liverpool is not a card at all. It's one of those 50/50 ones, where the referee can go either way with his call and no one can really argue too much about it. What frustrates me, is that all too often, those 50/50 calls go against us.

 

At last the media is waking up to Muff's terrible gamesmanship and how it's ruining football.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-worked-Spurs-Bournemouth-awful-football.html

"As soon as Watford's Christian Kabasele was shown his first yellow card, Jason Tindall — Bournemouth's assistant manager — strode up to the touchline. Once he had the attention of his strikers, Josh King and Callum Wilson, he did the card mime and tapped his temple with a finger."