THE Penalty!

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Godfather, Oct 14, 2017.

  1. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    Turns out I was wrong, panel have said no case to answer.

    I'm astounded and relieved.
     
  2. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    Conclusive proof that Top 4 clubs get preferential treatment :) :) :)
     
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  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

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  4. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    How do you get gifs on here?
     
  5. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40831719
     
  6. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

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  7. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    FA in sensible decision shocker!

    That's a first and a relief. Roll on Chelski.
     
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  8. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    Mark Clattenburg doesn't agree with you and I would suggest he is better qualified!
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Because the ref was so quick and certain they were likely to back him I feel.
     
  10. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    What is ridiculous is the fact it went to the panel in the first place.

    Contact was made between both players so it was never going to be judged as a dive. All these so called experts are continually proved wrong.

    What I find sad is because it happened against Arsenal it got major coverage. Had it happened to us it would have had a small footnote and glossed over quickly.
     
  11. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    I think it was more a case of it happening on a live tv game HB1. I understand people's paranoia about it happening to us versus a bigger club etc, but that's just opinion, not fact. I think a more valid argument is did it go to the panel because it was the first case since the new panel was set up and they needed an early test case to justify their existence, and would it have been considered had this season been well underway and it had been, for example, the 20th such controversy.
     
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  12. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    The whole thing is a farce.

    The new panel review thing has created the hysteria, before it came in it would’ve been debated for 5 minutes and then forgotten. Was it a pen it or wasn’t it? ‘I’ve seen them given’ and ‘it was soft but there was contact’ would’ve been the buzz phrases and then we would’ve all moved on with our lives.

    Now a 50/50 penalty decision will have to have a secondary debate attached to it regarding wether the player dived or not.

    I agree with the new review thing, but everybody needs to accept that there are not two possible outcomes - penalty or dive. If a penalty divides opinion so much and creates so much debate it’s clearly not a dive, it’s simply just a dubious penalty.
     
  13. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Bit of an aside, but on a similar vein - when Fernandinho smashed his thunderbolt at the weekend, he was duly mobbed. One latecomer to the melee of City fans celebrating jumped into the bunch of players and caught Yaya Toure (I think) flush in the face with a forearm smash and he didn’t even flinch. Imagine if Charlie Adam or some other anonymous Stoke player had done this 5 mins previous in the middle of the park. Not saying it’s acceptable but players really need to understand how pathetic they look rolling around at the merest touch when 100’s of cameras catch your every move.
     
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  14. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    My god do you ever shut up? We get a dubious penalty, beat Arsenal and then our best player doesn't get a ban and YOU'RE STILL MOANING ABOUT SOMETHING?

    Do you know how the media world works? Arsenal bigger fan base = more coverage. If it was West Brom vs Stoke and Rondon dived obviously less people will care. It's quite simple, just quit bitching.
     
  15. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Guess we all know why Poll, Gallagher and Hackett are no longer refs and thank goodness for that.

    At least justice has been done and we can all move on.

    Personally there was so much contact that I think Bellerin was just trying to get into Richarlison shorts and try to cop a feel, the little perv.
     
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  16. Thanks Kelso. You put it far more succinctly and tactfully than I could manage.
     
  17. I always thought a ponce was the paying punter. Playing the "Success role", one might say.
     
  18. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    Really not trying to be paranoid but the hysteria in the press over the last couple of days brings to mind the over reaction in certain sections of the press a few months ago about the HSBC letter and the concerns about a possible points deduction.

    In other words, if we can find a way to whip up a frenzy or a witch hunt against Watford, then we will.
     
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  19. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    But it's not just a penalty or a dive is it. You can also have an accidental contact in the box such as Walker's kung-fu style high kick that felled Chalobah!! This 'diving' panel is not the answer. I'd much rather have VAR available for the officials to verify key decisions on the pitch. Won't always get things right but much better than any post match retrospective review.
     
  20. I'm neither astounded nor relieved.

    There was never any serious question of Richarlison being found guilty of simulation where his judges could be held accountable for the decision. Unlike former referees and the press who can say what they like without fear of serious retort.

    It has been a very interesting subject to discuss though.

    Edit: I take it that no further action includes not referring it to the panel (that is, the panel were not involved in any way), otherwise it would have produced a report to explain its decision and the breakdown of the panel's thoughts, as per other such bodies within the FA. Please let me know when it turns out I am wrong...
     
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  21. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Utter rubbish. Utter, utter, rubbish. Utter, utter, utter, rubbish! This is breathtaking!





    The ponce is the one living off immoral earnings.. or an effeminate man.
     
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  22. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Perfectly summed up. It's bizarre why this is the one incident that was reviewed. The very first and only one. It was headlines on the back of at least one national newspaper this morning as well.

    I would like to know what triggers a review. Is it because a big name manager moans about it and the media jump on the back of that. Really, how goes it work. Who decides what gets reviewed and for what reason.
     
  23. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  24. Jellyman

    Jellyman Squad Player

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  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Unless you have an official source no one has actually confirmed it has been through the review process.
     
  26. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    The BBC said that it was the first of this type of review in the Premier League, there has already been reviews this season in the EFL but they didn't elaborate.
     
  27. Jossy

    Jossy Reservist

    Very glad the correct decision/outcome has been reached (whether it was the panel or just the FA deciding it wasn't even worth a review). As mentioned numerous times throughout this thread - the overreaction to the whole incident has been simply bizarre.

    Still don't like Dermot Gallagher's comments that state "slight clip/little nick" - when you're running at a speed that beats the league's fastest player, and there's four seperate points of contact on you (see pics earlier in thread) - you don't need to be clattered to lose your balance.

    Clattenburg's comparision to a 110m hurdler touching the hurdle and going flying was a very good comparison.

    To blame for the whole scenario - Wenger, in order to take the spotlight off of another failure by himself; And Graham Poll for stirring it up on the live broadcast.

    Upon the news of no further action being taken, Graham Poll said on Talksport "I think it's wrong and that the new law is too weak". The arrogance of the man is unparalleled.

    No ban for Richarlison, but I fear that he's going to be labelled - unfairly - as a diver from now on. Especially harsh when we all know that he gets stuck in and takes a battering every game. The difference between him, Zaha and Knockaert is wider than night and day.
     
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  28. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    You set up a new iniatitive. Obviously you’re dying to give it a go to show the footballing world. We just happened to be the first incident that came along in a live tv match. The commentators on BT were already talking about the possibility of it going to the panel while the match was still going on, and before any post-match whinging from Arsenal. Silva himself admitted it was a marginal call.

    My feeling was it was a 25% penalty. For us and we’re dead chuffed, against us and we’re outraged. I can see why it went to the panel but they agreed with most of us on here and some refs etc that there was contact and it wasn’t a blatant cheating dive. That’s the point of the panel and it did it’s job.

    As I posted elsewhere on here, I’m just happy we now have players happy to run into the box at speed with the ball. What a difference they can make. As B Happy Not B Sad put it, you can’t win the raffle without buying a ticket.
     
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  29. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Justworkedouthowtochange

    So three ex referees

    One - def penalty
    One - no penalty but not diving
    One - def diving

    My point of view , soft penalty but no dive , look at the speed he is picking up, any contact is going to send him flying. I think probably visually made worse by the 2 hands stretched out slide across the ground. End of the day Wenger was probably just pissed that our dodgy signing from Brazil was making most of his team look 2nd rate.

    However I do think he needs to stay on his feet a bit more , especially now as some teams are going to be looking to get him sent off.
     
  30. Harrybassetthater

    Harrybassetthater Academy Graduate

    Wenger should be pleased Richardlison is not banned as it makes us stronger against Chelsea one of their supposedly top 6 rivals.
     
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  31. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

  32. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    But surely we are one of their top six rivals?
     
  33. Luther Bassett

    Luther Bassett Reservist

    One very sound reason to moan about the synthetic, desperate BT-inspired brouhaha is that we'll struggle to get fair decisions for the rest of the season.
     
  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    The media have a knack of all parroting one another with no actual on the record source at the centre of a story like this. But fair enough.

    As for how does a complaint to the panel get started, there's no published guideline. The media have the biggest influence. How many times do off the ball things get highlighted on MOTD and hen result in bans?
     
  35. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Really? I can see that might have been the case had this been left hanging, as might previously been the case. But now the panel has determined that there is no case to answer, I can't see why we would be worse off than any other team.
     

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