Zaha

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by FromDiv4, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    The press have moaned about how many players that we have on loan so it will be interesting to see what they say about Zaha. I don’t think this should be allowed, you should not be able to buy a player and then loan him back to the same club.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21195116
     
  2. Prentice

    Prentice Administrator

    Why not?
     
  3. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    I suppose it just puts off for six months or so the time when he spends every Saturday (or Sunday/Monday due to Sky) sitting on the bench.

    Five and a half year deal eh?

    Sold to someone like Sunderland or Galatasaray in 2015 for 1.5 million after making 11 starts for Man Ure and scoring 1 goal.
     
  4. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    I think the loan system needs a shake up as there are far too many players on loan in general. I know we are benefitting from loans at the moment, but that does not change the fact I am against it in its current form.

    I understand loans for a player you have developed from youth level to get first team experience at a lower level than your 1st team plays as part of their development. I also understand short term loans for a player returning from an injury to get their match fitness up, all the rest I see as manipulation of the system.

    Either ManU want him or they don’t? – What is his new ManU wage and are CP paying it all ?

    I know there are lots of different opinions on the loan system but I think there is currently more wrong with it than right.

    A few changes to the rules would make a big difference. For example, you can only be loaned to a team in a lower division and that the receiving team has to pay all of the wages.
     
  5. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    Shame the board at the time when we sold Ashley Young didn't have the foresight to make sure he was loaned back to us for the rest of the season. Might have made all the difference in staying in the Premiership that season!
     
  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    The difference is that United are a top team signing Zaha as a promising player still in need for development while Villa signed Young because they needed a first choice winger.
     
  7. nisman94

    nisman94 International Man of Mystery

    Your post is good but there's so much power in disliking a post. Btw should be allowed
     
  8. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    You put the idea in my head...
     
  9. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    This sort of deal is a good move all round.

    Top team secures up and coming talent with less development cost and in a shroter space of time.
    Lower team secures the players services for an extended period of time, possibly at a reduced or no wage and gets the transfer kitty to start developing the next up and coming star.
    Player get's his big pay cheque whilst regularly playing and developing far quicker than if he was bench sitting.
     
  10. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    It wouldn't surprise me if he was loaned out next season to another Premiership club..particulary if Palace go up!
     
  11. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    So glad that he has finally gone, the media trying to make a will he/won't he was becoming rather tedious. I bet his performance's will improve now he has gone.
     
  12. hollywood

    hollywood 1881/singing section organiser

    I bet he plays crap from now on.
     
  13. 99mph

    99mph 4th Prediction league 2011/12

    £10m up front? That seems like quite a lot. I know Holloway did his usual "best player I've seen" (like Charlie Adam) routine but I don't think any Championship player is worth that much outright.
     
  14. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Vydra?
     
  15. 99mph

    99mph 4th Prediction league 2011/12

    I suppose, but technically he's a Serie A player. He's only in the Championship by virtue of our owners and not for any other reason.
     
  16. simms

    simms vBookie

    zaha is overrated. I'd take vydra over him 100%
     
  17. Cude>2<

    Cude>2< First Team Captain

    What happens if he gets seriously injured now and ends his career? Do Manure get a refund?
     
  18. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Didn't they have a similar thing with Van Nistelrooy? They paid a lot of money, he got injured and then they just waited for him to recover before completing the signing.

    Same thing would happen with Zaha.
     
  19. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    True. We're owned by Udinese and have a team full of loanees. We might win the odd game, but all the loanees could go back tomorrow and then we'd be ****. You should post on some of the other Championship forums.
     
  20. 99mph

    99mph 4th Prediction league 2011/12

    But the loanees will all go back. FML:doom:
     
  21. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    Technically Zaha is a premiership player. Vydra has only ever played two games in serie A, you can't call him a serie A player.

    I think it's a bit strong to say no championship player is worth 10 million. Zaha probabyl won't be worth ten million and Man Utd know this, he might end up being **** and worth about £5, they will take a £5 mill loss. Or he could end up improving further and being a £20-£30 million player.

    At 20yo players are an investment, in the chance they go on to be world beaters.
     
  22. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I think they chose the wrong player. Cedric Bolasie might have been a better investment.

    When we go up I'd like to see us sign Sam Byram. Aside from a couple of passing errors was excellent for Leeds.
     
  23. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    Zaha and Ince, two average players but will probably cost over 20mil combined. The mind boggles.
     
  24. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    They are English and young and have some potential. Cue agents frothing at the mouth and clubs desperate to build a core of British players into their teams paying over the odds.

    Remember Fabien Delph ? The next great hope of English football or indeed Connor Wickham. Those stories have turned out well so far.....
     
  25. nascot

    nascot First Team

    He's not average! Average players are the likes Darius Henderson. Zaha is a great talent and should only improve under the tuition of Man Utd. To call him average is just lazy.
     
  26. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Time will tell nascot. Yes he has provided some tasty bits of skill but it will be another step up in the PL. I do think Manchester United have overpaid but they are seeking to build a British core to their team and it is something Ferguson has always tried to do with signing Smalling and Nick Powell the other summer.
     
  27. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    Ok, average was the wrong word. 'Overated'
     
  28. YellowKicks

    YellowKicks Squad Player

    Technically Vydra is a Serie A player and that's two more games than Zaha has played in the Premiership?
     
  29. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Any chance we could nip in and hijack the deal?
     
  30. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    We could always sign Wilfried Haha.
     
  31. ahornet

    ahornet Reservist

    Apparently Holloway wants to get Zaha back on loan again.
     
  32. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    Apparently Moyes wants him next season and wont let him go.
     
  33. ahornet

    ahornet Reservist

    If Man U get rid of Nani then Palace have no chance of getting him back on loan.
     
  34. AngelHornet

    AngelHornet Reservist

    Hope he stays at Man Utd
     
  35. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Gollum has no sense of irony..... the *****.
     

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