UKIP - What is it they are going to do for you?

If you are considering a vote for UKIP what is it that you are hoping for?

Ok, we know about the Europe thing, but do UKIP make any sense in any other way? Would you vote for them if Nigel Farage wasn't the leader? Do you think they have any well-thought out policy? Would they behave in a sensible and responsible way as elected representatives?

 

It definitely makes sense to abolish paid holiday and maternity leave and to reduce the minimum wage...

 

I hate cats, I'd like to see UKIP abolish them

 

I don't believe that people are totally aware of what UKIP stand for, but people associate them with being tough on immigration, anti-PC, anti Europe etc. I think most, like me, consider voting for them in hope it may influence/scare the Tories and labour into acting on them, for example reducing immigration, negotiating a better deal in the eu. I'm not sure a UKIP government would be a good one, but I think their key ethos are ones the general british public associate with, and until they feel the others are taking notice UKIP's support will grow.

 

Won't happen. Cats are in charge.

 

Why do people want to reduce immigration? Apart from the latent racism.

 

Don't forget that as well as being generally against swarthy foreign types, UKIP are the only party to stand against the modern curses of ladies wearing trousers, gay marriage and Lenny Henry.

 

Because...

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UKIP really are stuck in the dark ages. Anyone that is associated with that party or supports it really doesn't like the idea of change, which has happened over the last however many years. Immigration is part of life, people come and go, you move around looking for better life - the part that really makes me laugh is the ex pats who actually support this.

 

I have to say as an immigrant in not only the Philippines but several other countries to boot I haven't been on the receiving end of any racism/resentment to me being there. I feel sad that my own country isn't as seemingly welcome to strangers as countless of them have been to me.

 

In reality, UKIP are going to give you nothing, other than to force the Tories hand in providing a referendum. They've pretty much sealed that one, unless Dave backs out again. They might get the odd MP at the general election & maybe even seal the fate of the Liberals, but the majority of the public will see sense and we'll get another coalition or a Red or Blue government. I do predict a huge protest vote in the European elections though. I reckon UKIP might get more seats than anyone else.

I urge everyone to look at their website before commenting on what they thinking UKIP stand for. Scaremongering and mentioning racism etc is as bad as their scaremongering by blaming Europe for everything.

They have a lot more policies than just Europe although it does tend to run on that central theme.
Some of them are good, some are not and some are bonkers, but then you could say that about any party.

Tories - NHS
Labour - Spending & taxation


What I do agree with is the return of law making powers from Europe to the UK. I'm fine with free movement & trade within Europe and feel we should be able to negotiate this without having to be in Europe and be ruled by Europe. We have a strong bargaining position in that there is a net import of goods, services and migration from Europe to the UK. They need us and our business more than we need theirs.

Currently the Tories are the ones that are offering a renegotiation of terms so that a defined agreement can be put to a referendum. This to me seems more sensible that the UKIP plan to offer a straight in/out referendum now, Labour's plans to not give you the choice and the Liberal plans to integrate even further.

 

If you agree with UKIP's objectives, the last party you should be voting for is UKIP.

At the last Euro elections, UKIP won 13 seats. They now have 9, the others having left or been thrown out of the party. Two are in gaol. Since they had no chance of Westminster seats in 2009, we can assume that these were their most electable candidates - which doesn't say much for the rest. Standing up for Britain against those awful foreigners? UKIP's record in attending and voting at European Parliament meetings was abysmal - they didn't even show up to discuss immigration, which is I believe of some interest to them. They just take the money (which is I agree excessive) and do nothing for it.

In the next Westminster elections, they are likely to take a lot of votes from the Tories. There's no chance of UKIP being in a coalition government, so they would simply increase the chances of a Labour government which won't offer a referendum on continued EU membership.

So if you like UKIP's aims, don't vote for them. If, like me, you don't think much of them, don't vote for them.

 

I'm hoping that their going to take "us" straight back to "Ye Olde Golden Days of the 1950s." (Pah! Call that font "Gothic"!)

PS I was born in 1969.

 

Purely for economic and common sense reasons.

In very simplistic terms, many people think it is not right to accept outsiders in, if we havn't enough space, jobs and homes for our own population. Whether or not that argument actually holds water is another discussion, but to brand it as racist is just wrong.

Other countries, despite what some on here have said, are far from having an "open door" policy towards foreigners. For example, The Philippines starts from the principle that foreigners (without marital links or citizenship) cannot own real estate in their country - not the case in the UK, is it?

As far as I know, if I turn up in most countries in the world, I will not be provided with a home to live in, benefits or healthcare.
As far as I know many will have far stronger measures to prevent foreigners from settling in their country than the UK does.

 

Don't have a problem with immigrants genuinely looking for a better life but I do believe that some think it is way to easy to just come here and sit on benefits.

If you've never contributed to tax you shouldn't be entitled to any.

 

exactly this ! As Norway has done not a full EU member but an associate member which means we can in the good bits and out the bad! the UK should follow suit. why pay lots of money in for decision making processes to be taken out the UK! Main stream parties have become too relaxed , lie too much and do nothing to help the majority of working brits . like bedroom tax ! At worst UKIP will give liblabcon a kick up the arse. The other thing that concerns me about lib lab con is the differences seem to have narrowed to such an extent ,that they all seem the same !.
Yes UKIP has its nutters like any other , it also has a lot of ordinary decent folk that are pissed off with our leadership and wish a change.
For me I would like a referendum on continuing with the EU , if the great british public wish to stay in then so be it, be nice to have a chance like near every other european country has had.

ps to Chris G as an ex pat and someone that has worked in several different countries , we are far too lenient other countries restrict trade ,business, immigration etc for the good of their own populace , countries like France , Australia , America , China etc etc etc To get residency in Norway (not including political asylum is getting increasingly tough! , to import goods from abroad are heavily taxed to encourage folk to buy Norwegian product thus helping norwegian economy!

Not voted in years ,but this time I have registered as I feel quite strongly about the UK rest assured for better or worse will be voting UKIP

 

The best part of immigration is they take the jobs of the people who shouldn't have been employed in the first place. We shouldn't pay benefits to those people, we should tell them to **** off to Romania and get paid a fair wage for the effort they put in - very little.

 

wouldnt mind going back to late 70`s and seeing watfords rise through the league again

 

My understanding is that UKIP abstain from voting on policies which further devolve powers from the UK, which is why their voting records do look poor. They dedicate the resources all MEPs are given, salary & expenses (expenses are fixed and are given to MEPs whether they spend them or not) to fighting for a referendum. It's a crazy system they have and makes Westminster look frugal.

So if you want out of Europe then voting UKIP in the European election will assist in sending a message to the Tories. It will not affect our representation in the European Parilament because (from question time last night) all 55 vetos we have invoked have been overruled anyway. Europe pass what they want regardless of UK wishes.

Please don't vote UKIP in the local elections. They are on the whole a one policy party and do not have local interests.

Please don't vote UKIP in the general election, you are taking away votes from either Tories (renegotiate & referendum) or Labour/Liberal (stay in no referendum). This is simplifing your choices assuming you will base your vote entirely on Europe.

 

If that's UKIP's policy I'll vote for them after all. But if it's not in their manifesto, I won't.

BTW, we have an ageing population, and the babyboomer retirees are very soon going to have to be supported by a dwindling number of workers. Immigrants tend to be young, and first-generation immigrants tend to have more children than the natives, so their taxes will be keeping me in Watford season tickets and other such expensive necessities.

As regards all these skivers coming in for the benefits and doing nothing, I was reading yesterday that every ethnic group achieves better exam results in this country than white Anglo-Saxons, which suggests than the majority of immigrants are pulling their weight.

 

Do you really wonder why I would call you cantankerous when you reply with that?

"Other countries, despite what some (me) have said, are far from having an open door policy towards foreigners". Of course it's futile asking you to quote where I said that because obviously I didn't. I just said that of the several countries I have lived in for a year or more..namely Germany, Cyprus, USA, Argentina, Australia and the Philippines I have been made welcome with no hint of animosity towards me. I didn't broach each nations' official policy on immigrants....as for your puerile 'for example', it's true foreigners generally can't buy property in the Philippines. How is that a reflection on how moog and I meant upon latent racism? I could buy property in the USA and all of the other countries I mentioned so what point (if any) were you trying to make with that particular example?

Obviously you were aware my point...and moog's for that matter, were referring to the jingoistic Little Englander, probably not unlike yourself, rather than official government policy.

Your last two sentences both preceded with "As far as you know" is correct. You simply don't know do you? I have lived in the Philippines for five years and although I can't work or vote I am entitled to their healthcare, their education in fact everything else that any Filipino is entitled to. I won't pretend that it is fantastic and I can do better by going private but it is there if I need it.

Why you and Arry keep needing to bring up the Philippines as your point of reference I do not know. As I said I lived in Cyprus for almost two years and, overall, they were, bureaucratically speaking, probably the worst for foreigners actually living there (20 or so years ago...can't speak for now) but that was never the point I was making. I have always said they are the friendliest nation on Earth. The point I was making is how you, in the street, treat someone from a foreign land.

 

I'm not going to be as vociferous as Phil, but I do believe that the fact that immigration is such a big issue for so many is pure xenophobia. People don't like Polski Schlep's opening up, or their children at school being educated alongside Romanian children. Maybe racism is the wrong word, but few people are looking at this as a purely economic argument IMHO.

 

We all know that 'arry is a good example of why anglo-saxons need to be watered down.

 

People love something to pin their failure on.

The Eastern Europeans are the new Asians who were the new Africans. It's all the minorities fault Britain is no longer an industrial superpower, it has nothing to do with the greed, laziness and complacency of those who were here to begin with. They also eat strange foods I'm not familiar with. I'm out.

http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/immigrants-contribute-25bn-tax-boost-to-uk

Those leaches.

 

Here is where I disagree with you. Pork pies.. mmmmmm

 

Some of ukips other policies, other than immigration (for which alot of things they say are hugly exegerated) are far worst then immigration. For example they wish to privatise the NHS which I have already made clear I'm 100% against. Their track record of allowing looneys and genuine racists to be key members of their party is worrying too.

 

You are right, some people will prefer not to mix with other nationalities if they can avoid it. That may be a form of racisim.

However, with immigration, I disagree with you as I think many people look upon it as economic. I liken it, for example, to the locals in Devon or Cornwall who see their lifestyle change because of an influx of rich city folk who drive up property prices with their 2nd homes. In reality, it may be that these rich city folk actually benefit the community more than they harm it, but that doesn't matter if you cant buy a home. It doesn't matter what nationality these "intruders" are, it still affects their life. I think this is what is happening in the immigration debate.

Just my thoughts, anyway.

 

By and large immigrants are hard working and diligent normal people, they are doing nothing more than trying to better their own lives. I have no problems with that whatsoever but I do with the numbers involved and the effect it has on native workers jobs and salaries. There is and has been a problem for several years.

If Ukip went the right way about it and tackled the bosses for sourcing this supply of cheap labour I might have an ear but instead they choose to promote the idea that the immigrants themselves are the problem ... They're not and consequently, I'm out!

 

If we curb immigration from the EU, our cars would all be filthy. End of.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8rlP4PJ0HQ

 

I've just written an essay on this subject and I've found that, somewhat surprisingly, this isn't nearly as big a problem as many people think it is.

These are 2013 figures, but the only changes are that most percentages have gone down - like the UK's general employment rate. 7.8% of recent EU migrants are unemployed but only 1.9% are claiming unemployment benefits. Around 0.2% are claiming unemployment benefits but have never worked in the UK.

Have a read of this: http://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default...achments/pdf/2013/pb_imm_uk_27sept13-7892.pdf

The most important quote, for me, is that the government's dilemma is choosing between keeping borders open for economic reasons, or closing them to soothe public hostility. I know what I'd go for.

 

How can someone who has immigrated themselves be against immegration and vote UKIP? Not having a go just geniunely baffled. Do you still live in Norway?


I find it hilarious that Farage employs his GERMAN wife. Those pesky Europeans, stealing our jobs.

 

The European elections mean nothing vote for anyone its will not make any kind of difference what so ever.

 

Here's an informed opinion (after living there for far too long) on the Cornish: **** 'em as they're all *****.