Thatcher Dead

**** yeah, I will - I just hope I live to see the day

 

You can't compare the two, because one is a fictional character made by the US government as a scapegoat; but that's for another thread.

 

I don't see the point in peoples joy about this. What has she done since 1990 that has affected any of you?

 

Of course, because we're not affected by anything before 1990. How could I forget?

 

Privatisation of energy, manufacturing, travel and resource industries at a time of growth, in hindsight was a bad idea, however at the time and for ten years after, no one was complaining about the increased prosperity.

The unions needed breaking down, I'm not suggesting it was done in the right way, but they held the country to ransom as skillfully illustrated by previous posters. The problems we have with the RMT now are a drop in the ocean compared to issues in the 70s & early 80s.

Manufacturing was killed off by government policy, just before Asia started to undercut the UK. This gave the UK time to focus on service education and technology industries which to this day maintain the UK as the 7th largest economy in the world. Was this out of spite, foresight or good luck? I leave that up for consideration, but I certainly would prefer to think that we are world leaders in solar power rather than a country building 2nd rate rusty cars at noncompetitive prices.

I certainly am not a Thatcher policy supporter but I do feel that history of her administration is unfairly represented. Maybe it is just the old left vs right argument, something that will never be resolved.

 

Her government changed our society. We became selfish and greedy, seeking quick riches and haven't looked back since.

 

Oh but of course that was all down to one woman wasn't it?

 

Thatcher taught British people how to be greedy? Before this what - we were all sharing, caring fluffy bears?

Come on - if people are arseholes, it's because they are arseholes, not because of the policies of a prime minister from over 20 years ago.

 

no happy days, kfc, macdonalds and other amrican influence did that.

 

Amplified then. Greed culture, yes.

 

Sigh, didn't say that.

She caused deaths of thousands, and brought misery to hundreds of thousands, if not millions more. Her biggest crime for me was the miners strikes which were so calculated, distasteful and disgraceful act in British home politics in hundreds of years.

This is politics. We have different ideologies and we disagree. I find it uncomfortable that her aims were to benefit the rich and destroy the poor. I won't celebrate her death, but I won't wish her peace.

 

What was maggies policy with Reagan on the financial sector?? Deregulation. Short term economic games, long term economic suffering that we are now, 30 years on, suffering from.

 

That was from the time in the hot seat. What has SHE done which is so bad since?

My point is, there seems to do so much triumph and joy that she's dead - however surely this triumph and joy should have been after her reign. People are celebrating that she's dead, but what has she done in the last week, the last month, the last year, the last decade that has made your life hell?

People need to let go. Her government may have influenced people to be selfish and greedy - but who made it a sad, gloomy sadistic place where people are, quite frankly losers, who hold grudges for 23 years and then celebrates someones death?

Some of you will be against her, someone out there will be for her. That's politics, and that's opinion, everyone is different. One man trash is another mans treasure.

 

not to bin laden sympathisers it aint.

 

the russo's

 

Did the last labour government have nothing to do with it then?

 

Two sides of the same coin. Thatcher's lot bit our government, the face changed but we still remain infected.

 

I don't think it's fair to blame our current suffering on her government. There's been a lot of incompetence in the past 30 years (in my opinion Labour wasn't exactly a godsend)

 

It's a massive myth that Labour is solely responsible. It is very very VERY easy to deregulate, but bloody difficult to regulate a sector so inflated and egotistical because of her and Reagan. Labour should have tried to regulate, but the core of our economic mess is her.

*previous post should have said 'gains' not games. On my phone.*

 

But the incompetence has a source. Her.

 

I'm no Thatcherite.. but who exactly were the thousands that died because of her?

 

I'd start with the Falklands, move on to the support of Augusto Pinochet and regimes in Chile where people were killed and finally sum up by pointing out JFT96 which she helped to cover up and the many people who will have committed suicide/ had their lives destroyed because of her mining policies. Biggest industry in this country at the time, the livelihoods for millions.

 

You're talking out your a***e.

Re the miners strike, the coal unions had made UK coal more expensive than importing it from Australia. Egotistical Scargill took on the government by strike action and threatened energy shortages for everybody, etc, and in doing so threatened entire neighbourhoods and destroying families - and lost! Postal union rules meant that their sorting office workers could only carry one sack at a time, even if it had only one letter in it. Engineering and dockers union rules meant that the shipping industry (manufacture and maintenance) went overseas. Car munfacturing went overseasd when they the makers could string together a few weeks of production due to the likes of Leylands "Red Robbo"

Rich and poor? That's why she cleared the way for people to own their council homes. My skint parents bought theirs for £12,000 and sold it for £200,000. She was as "anti class" as anybody, that is one of the reasons why she couldn't get anywhere in the Conservative Party for many years. Her father was a Liberal and they opened and ran a small grocers shop. She hated the thought of the gentry bathing in handed down money and shirkers spending unearned money, whilst hard workers were continuously frustrated by jealousy and the Unions who thought that only their leaders should be entitled to earn lots of money.

 

So what's your opinion of Tony Blair and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

 

What makes you say that she covered up Hillsborough? Because there seems to be more evidence that it was covered up by the left wing politicians in Sheffield? And, regarding the miners strike, if you actually understood what happened, instead of believing all this communist propaganda you would know that many ex miners blame Scargill, in retrospect, for what happened as his threat to bring Britain to it's knees had no chance of succeeding whilst there was a PM in power that wouldn't just "turn" to win short term votes. Even Benn was complimentary of Thatcher saying that she was a "signpost" not a "weathervane".

 

Clearly, I also think he was a lunatic. Guided by Bush and wanting to show some sort of power. A PR-loving but undercutting *******.

And that's the one thing i'd give Thatcher credit for, at least she didn't hide her views or aims, and just went with her beliefs and stuck by them. Better that than to lie, hide and deceive like modern day politicians.

 

There will be people on here that support her and those that hate her, that is fine, those opinions will never ever change, now is not the time to discuss that, we could have done that in the 20years since she left office. She is Dead now and I think some of the post on here are in very bad taste. She may not have been a nice person but she was a leader, blair is a good bloke but not a leader. Cameroon and the other two will say anything to get a few extra votes no matter what their true thoughts are.

I usually think that most Watford fans are ok but I ashamed to associated with some Watford fans on here, to try and be proud that you want to ruin someones funeral and dancing on someones grave. She was someones Mum how would those feel if we posted something like that about their parents, Granny, sister or Auntie.

If someones death make you that happy I think you may have to have a look at yourself, if you have so much time on your hands to plan how to try and ruin someones funeral.

Somethings posted on here could be classed as hate crimes

 

Good, balanced stuff from the Meister. As someone who never voted for Thatcher, and never would, I have to admit that she did break the cycle of economic decline (since restarted) and show that things could be changed. I'm not disputing that she also created a lot of problems that are still with us now, but I hate the way she has been demonised by people who have only seen the caricature and don't understand the context.

Yes, she was far too keen on Latin American tyrants, just as modern politicians are far too keen on Arab tyrants so long as they buy arms from us and keep the Islamists down. In her case, it was to keep the Americans onside in other parts of the world. But at least she was NOT a supporter of apartheid, which many if not most on the right were.

 

If I understand it correctly, you and Pugnacious have blamed Thatcher for the greed of other people (not her), a war where the UK was not the aggressor, the policies of a South American government and the policies of four subsequent prime ministers? You sound mad.

 

Tell that to the children of Fallujah with cancer, leukemia and the parents who have been affected by infant mortality.

 

Well I don't think you understand correctly. Not at all.

 

I've just read she supported apartheid and called Mandela a terrorist, is that true?

I don't really understand anyone who loves her, I can see why people respected her, but I don't understand the love. For example how can anyone agree with poll tax?

 

Ah my post is suddenly reinstated...rejoice, just rejoice at that news!

 

1979 the country was literally on it's knees, 3 day week etc....that's bad. She stopped that. Not a bad thing really? I'll get shot down no doubt, but just saying.

 

As for the poll tax, no taxes are ever going to be popular with everyone and again, could have discussed her tax system over the last 20 years and the poll tax was not her best idea.

Shall we start talking about labours 99p in the pound tax to top earners? so anyone who earned loads of money moved abroad and thus paid less tax than if the rate was 40p or 50p in the pound.