Why are hunts able to get away with killing hundreds of foxes each year? https://x.com/channel4news/status/1750590093293949338?s=46&t=oqOMSJXE_g7J5C7kNPG9LA
So why isn’t it? I have a feeling if it was lads on electric bikes chasing a cat around their area they might feel the hand of the law.
I'm guessing exposure is part of it. It's far more difficult to catch 'em in the act than the aforementioned lads on electric bikes in a city, where dozens of window twitchers see their every move. Getting away with a crime in an isolated area is far easier, particularly if there is no human victim. What will be interesting to see is whether or not these ones, who were caught in the act, get collared.
Lack of wildlife officers. It's utterly vile and barbaric. Nature doesn't need these so-called guardians of the countryside. What a misnomer. With their alleged we are conservationists really. They come up with all sorts of bizarre excuses for killing living creatures when genuine conservationists do exactly the opposite. Raptor and corvid persecution continues unabated as does hare coursing. It is impossible for me to understand the depravity and enjoyment these lowlife get from seeing an animal in fear being torn to shreds. And it applies to all hunters from the scum that go cage hunting in Africa to obtain trophies. To those sad cases as in America trying to show their macho nature and oneness with the wild by going out and killing it. Nothing justifies this. These people are seriously disturbed and dangerous as is anyone who is cruel to animals.. The political classes are so weak on this issue. Sentences for crimes against wildlife should be counted in years not months. With huge fines, seizure fir example of hunt facilities , closure if country estates etc, etc. But as with crime in general punishments are pathetic.
I don't think it's such a high priority. Because the people who do it are posh, there's a natural inclination to dislike them, but as for the foxes, well there are loads of 'em. It's not like they're an endangered species or anything. Perhaps it's 'cruel' the way the fox gets killed when caught, but then if you eat meat you're only really arguing about the method of death of the animal. What about cøckfights? Those are supposed to be banned in the UK too, but there are plenty that go on. They're much more working class. Should the cops spend their time chasing these too? It's gone on for millennia - since Roman times. Plenty of words in English such as 'cøckpit' and 'cøckspur' come from it. Very popular in Latin America and the Caribbean, India, China, The Philippines too. Peru is mad for it right @Otter ? Legal in parts of France and Spain too. In Cienfuegos Cuba there's a 1000 seat stadium and an international cõckerel fair each year where international buyers come for the best specially bred birds. British people are very sentimental about animals, but not so sentimental when it comes to their fellow man. That is hard to understand. In the local paper just now, they found a mutant dog abandoned in a car park here. It had mutant legs, like divided at the back. The Facebook people cooed and ahhed and raised money and their hearts melted for this mangy dog. In most other countries, the poor thing would have its neck snapped at birth and perhaps the people's hearts would melt more for the human being who is sleeping rough in the freezing cold in the same car park.
'The' sector that pleaded for Brexit and who have now discovered that the dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
Here's an idea. How about we act decently to people AND animals? I don't think it's much of an argument to say that the ruling classes are failing the lowest in society so we should just accept that they treat animals like sh1t too. And killing animals as humanely as possible for meat is very different from chasing an animal to exhaustion and then taking pleasure from watching it be literally ripped apart.
When Britain was at its cruellest to animals, it was at its creullest to people, at home and around the World. I suspect there is plenty of domestic cruelty within the Countries you mention. Being cruel to animals doesn’t mitigate cruelty to people, on the contrary, those who are especially cruel to people are often cruel to animals in their youth. It’s a well established link. Because most of us are hypocrites in some way or another in this respect, doesn’t change the fundamentals. Similarly, fox hunting is a gateway activity to upper class cruelty and entitlement. Enough for me to want it policed thoroughly.
The way we treat the environment, the natural world and it's flora and fauna is an indication of what we are as a society and how far we have risen from the slime. In this Clive I think you have missed the point entirely about the barbarism and enjoyment, yes enjoyment these lowlife get out of thus so called country sport/pursuit.
We live a very sheltered life here. The meat comes very nicely in a little polystyrene tray with nylon over the top. Displayed under special lights. And only the best fillets too. Nothing of cheeks or tail or tripe or feet. It hardly seems like meat you're eating. Perhaps that's why British people can also afford to be so sentimental to animals. To a crazy extent sometimes. There is one woman in my work who got offended that I swatted a wasp last summer. I should have trapped and released it. Do they feel the same about mosquitos? Cockroaches? Bed bugs? Lice? They're all little animals aren't they? I witnessed a great argument in a cafe recently. A man with a dog on a long lead was at the counter paying and while his back was turned the dog was off sticking it's nose into someone's fryup on a nearby table. The diner protested firmly and the dog owner got really upright and it went to shouting - including eventually accusations of racism (rolling eyes smiley) which was odd because everybody was white English middle class. The dog owner was evidently under the impression that everyone should love his hound as much as he does and should welcome it having half the bacon off your breakfast. He couldn't comprehend it seems, why the diners would protest.
I don't care how they kill the foxes. There are too many of them and some of them need to be killed. They're just giant rats. If some weird, country rich folk can get a thrill out of it, then good for them. I don't care if some kid with terriers goes and kills rats on a farm and I don't care how other vermin are controlled.
Clive, I found the link between objecting to someone else’s dog stealing food you have paid for, off your plate and objecting to a terrified animal being torn to pieces for sport, tenuous. To say the least.
I guess it depends on your definition of 'cruel.' A quick death for an animal that is a pest doesn't seem that cruel to me. Naturally it wouldn't make sense to spend money on a pet and then have it torn to pieces, but then, people do feed live rats and crickets to their exotic pets. Foxes are scum. Even Roald Dahl's loveable protagonist was actually just a bloody thief.
Not really an answer. It’s not about whether it’s sensible. It’s about whether it’s ok at all and if it is in some circumstances why not others?
Where did I do that? I’m objecting to protracted kills through pursuit until exhaustion, until the animal is killed by being ripped apart, maybe a limb at a time.
I honestly don't know, I believe there is a bullfighting ring in Lima but it's only used on certain holidays. But as you say there is a big difference on how they treat animals in general. Not that Peruvians are in any way specifically cruel, it's that little sympathy is held for some creatures. For example there are quite a lot of stray dogs, once we were driving on the Panamerican Highway and a stray dog has run across the road and we hit it, the dog was proper farked, I could see it wriggling around in the road, my sister-in-law was crying "pobresito perro" but it could have caused us to hit the central reservation, we pulled off the road the front bumper was knackered. On my first visit to Peru, when I got married, we headed to an uncle's farmhouse for Christmas day along with lots of my wife's family. At one point he brought out a sheep from the field and handed me a big f**k off knife. As the guest of honour I was asked to slaughter our Christmas dinner. There's no point in being squeamish about it, I am a meat-eater, I just got the job done. Next day I was at another relatives and I slaughtered a guinea pig in the same way, guinea pig is a delicacy out there and I have eaten it on many occasion, they are not kept as pets with names like Fluffybuns, they're fattened for consumption. Unfortunately that uncle who owned a guinea pig and rabbit farm sadly died 5 years ago so my guinea pig supply line has dried up.
Maybe the drone footage surveillance of the hunts after a future infogt into a solution. Alongside the recent talk about the prewar generation and potential conscription, and looking at the war in Ukraine, we could have national service training up future soldiers by giving them drones with grenades - flying off to the country to hunt foxes.
I would if it were shown that they are a pest and their population needs culling. That is what happens to the deer population in the Highlands. If that is the motivation, then I'm pretty sure that sending out hunters to shoot a few would, not only be more humane, it would also be more efficient than having dozens of twits on horses running around the countryside, with a pack of hounds, to kill just one fox!
Being hunted isn’t be dispatched quickly by definition. If it helps, I’m generally against anything the upper classes do and wouldn’t support hunting if the ultimate aim was to befriend the fox and give it free massages.
It's a dispiciable, barbarick, evil sport that should of been wiped out years ago. Foxes have the right to live on this earth as much as any other creature. People call it a "sport", but it's just a form of hide and seek for the depraved and ill-minded. I know it dates back years in history to when it first started but surely after all these years people must see it's not right to treat animals this way? I know some people stand by it, as they see foxes as pests as they get into the rubbish bins etc but they are only doing what comes natural to them. I know they also spread deseases, but as long as they are left alone within the woodlands I see no point in a bunch of trumped up posh tw*ts on horse back trying to kill them with a load of blood hounds in toe. Sorry for strong language, but I've never been in favour of animal cruelty and never will. This is a blood sport, plain and simple, and the fact it is still seen as an English tradition in some parts of the country disgusts me.
