It wasn't 'obvious' that Russia were about to try and take the whole of Ukraine imminently, but they've had a slice of it since 2014 tbf
Yes but is it reasonable to expect WFC to have stopped trading with Russia for taking that slice in 2014 when most of the world was happy to do business and to shamefully let them host the World Cup.
The timeline of WTE’s comments fit with the idea we were trying to instigate him moving in a period where the war had kicked off. Not prepared to break confidence of how I know that so you can trust me or not, happy either way!
I have relationships with a number of alter egos which, from time to time, may be advantageous. This 'Moog' is just one such alter ego. There is no special connection.
Slimy move, but would it have even worked? Would Russian sanctions have prevented English clubs from making money from Russian institutions?
If I ever win the lottery and Euro millions and buy a massive share in the club, I will personally drive Gino to the airport and pack him off to Italy first hand.
A Russian club made an offer. We accepted the offer. He could go if he wanted and not surprisingly didn’t want to so didn’t move there. No way we could make him move. Knew he wouldn’t be first choice so chose to move elsewhere. Disgusting disgraceful behaviour by our club.
I really, really hate the continued insistence to grease the palms of people like Mogi. The temerity of Duxbury to then lie and say he’s ‘one of many’ or ‘just another’ agent we work with (I can’t remember the exact quote) sums up what this club has become. We need to drain the swamp.
By “grease the palms of” I presume you mean”use the services of”? Why do you think we use him more than some of the other agents we occasionally use ?
I mean what I say. It’s clear the relationship between Mogi and Gino/Duxbury goes beyond your usual club/agent relationship. He frequently attends games, sits with Gino and the optics at least are that he seems to have way more influence than he should. I haven’t heard of any other club in the country who has agents not representing the player in question contacting them to advise them a bid has been accepted. Based on the criminal charges against him (although I should say he’s innocent until proven guilty) and the amount of grey areas about what precisely his role is, I find his presence at the club to be extremely unsettling.
The only issue I see is the legal situation around Mogi. If Gino thinks he gets value from using him more than some other agents and to help moving on players no longer required, so what ?
Does that include him contacting players who already have representation saying bids have been accepted? I may be being very dense here, and would genuinely appreciate you putting me right if so, but that’s not what my understanding of an agent is. With regards to value, the players he’s been involved with bringing into the club have been a mixed bag at best.
You are totally ignoring the history of the Pozzo family and their tendency to be financially ‘iffy’. But hey, fingers in ears, sunglasses on…so what!
Normally I would expect a clubs team manager to do that but as we have a coach rather than manager maybe the recruitment dept do that for us ? If Gino feels Mogi is best placed to tell a player the club have accepted an offer for him and he’s free to move there or elsewhere if his agent can agree term, does that matter ? Yes I agree some of his signings have been poor. I’m not sure why Gino gives him so much business. Must feel he’s getting value or why continue?
This also totally ignores the other part of the interview where he states we told him we’d force him out if he went to AFCON…whilst he was sat at the airport waiting to depart for AFCON. Your ironic last statement aside, that’s really is disgusting, disgraceful behaviour by the club. Of course they have a right of reply - but come on, who would you really believe in this?
Ok so you think there is something iffy behind Gino using Mogi ? He doesn’t just think he does a good job ?
You're ignoring all the advantageous advantages that our circa 5 year hand in glove relationship has brought us. Since a certain shadowy figure became seen more and more at Gino's hand and his name showed up in more and more deals, we've gone from strength to strength. Still some people will find something to moan about.
I think we’ll have to agree to disageee on Mogi being involved with players who are the subject of interest. My thoughts would be that it should be the head of recruitment or someone in that department making that kind of contact, you feel differently. That’s fine. l have nothing solid to refer to but the relationship between us and Mogi makes me uneasy. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a sinister motive but that’s hearsay.
They of course can’t force him out in the same way we couldn’t force out Rose. We could tell him he wouldn’t be first choice but he’s clearly entitled to stay and wind down his contract like any other contracted player.
Phew. I was worried for a second that there might be more to it! Glad we all agree. Solid business with a top performing agent. Nice.
I’m not going to disclose that for obvious reasons. If you wish to continue giving the devils advocate defence, go ahead. I’m telling you as much as I can to tell you that you’re being incredibly naive.
I've always assumed that Pozzo believes he gets a good deal from this otherwise why carry on, but not sure why he does. The above are your words. So you aren’t just dealing with the facts - you’re dealing with your own assumptions. We can agree to disagree - but many of your posts here are full of questions designed to get a rise out of one side of the argument? Where are your questions regarding the other side of it?
It’s just logic. He must feel he gets value for money otherwise why would he continue to contract with him? Simples. We don’t know exactly what he’s paid and exactly what he does but clearly Gino thinks he gets good value or he’d cease. I don’t think that’s a controversial assumption. I’m not looking to get a rise just questioning whether Mogi telling Troost that an offer from a Russian club has been accepted is as terrible as others seem to think it is. He didn’t have to go there. I don’t have to agree with you. Not sure what you mean by my “questions about the other side of it”? Anyway this is going round in circles so I suggest we move on.
The owners of the club, the club itself is not and never will be vile. The club are the ordinary people working behind the scenes, the players and us. The Italian custodian and his mafia will never be the club.
If Pozzo gets found guilty in a Spanish court of law of tax evasion and fraud does that mean he no longer passes the fit and proper owner criteria in this country?
That’s a huge part of the problem, no? Gino gets value out of his dealings with Mogi, the club does not.
If I were a moderator I’d be more worried about the poster making obvious attempts to goad other posters into posting views which could be potentially libellous for his own bizarre amusement than me calling him out for it.
