Lucy Letby

Interesting, is it a different discipline from the wondrous works of Weeks or Hanson? I could see Tubby Thomas in a wig making a pig's ear of sentencing .

 

Having deeply investigated this other case by skim reading that wiki, I thinshit's she may also have been guilty and her exoneration a mistake, driven by wokism and MSM.

 

Oof...he got the charges wrong and was called up on it, which doesn't exactly speak well to his attention to detail...

There is a spectacular takedown in the comments, too.

 

It's an odd one now I look deeper into the case.
Has absolutely zero traits as a serial killer.
No witnesses only circumstantial evidence. How powerful that is I'm not sure.
Her friends she grew up with convinced that she wouldn't or couldn't do the crimes to those poor babies.
Going to be very interesting if or when there's an appeal.
Not saying she's innocent but there is something that isn't right.

 

I didn’t even read as far as the comments. I lost interest when he continued to attack the defence and the letter they wouldn’t pass on

“He’s not good with numbers”!?!

 

After studying the case deeply last night (reading a couple of daily mail articles), it's clear now that her parents were suffocating religious weirdos, compounded by the fact she's an only child, evil

The most compelling thing I have read is that she was in love with this doctor and was desperate for his attention, and murdering babies got his attention due to the sympathy is garnered for her (plus he came to tend the babies in some cases). I'm beginning to think maybe they weren't f ucking after all.

Probably her religious nutter parents had given her some messed up views of relationships and also been overbearing as she is an only child which lead to a warped view of the world.

 

we've all read Carrie. We've seen this sort of thing before.

 

Yeah, I'd not heard of the Dutch case and can see some of the parallels. And I think the medical evidence will be the thing that undoes the case, should that ever come to pass. We've seen examples of that in this country too.

But the tone of the writing reminds me of many of the sneering, pompous and usually narrowly expert people I come across in my own line of work. Often they're so entrenched in the minutiae of some tedious sideshow they've puffed up they lose sight of the bigger picture. And, in respect of criminal convictions, the standard isn't beyond all doubt as if it were a science experiment being presented to a panel of professors, it's just beyond reasonable doubt.

 

They could have saved a 9 months trial if the prosecution had just stood up on day one and said that.

"we've all read Carrie. We've seen this sort of thing before. Case closed m'lud"

GUILTY!

 

Yeah but the wokerati want every baby murdering, religious nutjob to have a so called 'fair trial' because rushing to judgement based on horror fiction alone is apparently a breach of so called 'human rights.'

 

Albeit circumstantial again, but one of the biggest indicators of her guilt to me was her Facebook search history. Just before, and just after any attempted murder, or murder, she searches Facebook for the child’s parents, and then often searched for them on the anniversary of the babies death. Why would she be searching for that particular babies parents before they died, or nearly died, or just after? So she was not only present at every death, but also searching for the parents before and after the deaths.

 

She ain't got no human rights, m8.

 

Ok I've not read that thus far and had no idea the parents were religions nutters as you put.
The theory about the Dr she wanted is paper thin but it's something I suppose.
My main concern is going from a pleasant young lady to a serial baby murderer. The escalation just doesn't add up for me. But when you take into account about her desperate need for attention from said Dr I suppose it could happen. In this case maybe she didn't actually want any of them to die?

 

It is circumstantial but also can be seen as a little warped. Did she ever leave posts or contact the parents after the deaths?

 

Was it just those parents precisely, or did she search out other unaffected parents too? Do we know?

 

You know for a fact she looked up all the parents of the seven plus seven before and after?

 

At least some of that was discussed in court, although I'm not familiar enough with the details to know if these dates were before or after.

Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court | UK News | Sky News

 

Certainly some, yes:

Records from Letby’s phone showed she had searched Facebook for the twins’ mother several times – the first shortly after finishing the shift on which she murdered the one-day-old boy, and then again the night after attempting to kill his sister. She searched for the mother again two months later.

The nurse had searched online for many parents of the babies she treated, she admitted later. Police found the records of 2,381 Facebook searches on her phone in the year to June 2016 – about 200 a month. Only a minority of these were for the parents of the 17 babies in this trial, but they had a disturbing pattern. Letby often searched for several of her victims’ parents within a matter of minutes, seemingly going one-by-one, hunting for grief. She even searched for them on Christmas Day.

 

Some isn’t the same as ‘any’ as you wrote before. It may of course be very relevant, but google stalking people is almost a national pastime, even if, not the appropriate thing for a nurse to do.

 

Ok. I’m seeing a picture of a fairly normal looking middle aged woman here Clive. You’re going a bit off piste.

 

Ouch. A little harsh don't you think.

 

And if somebody else was dissing the character of a black or Latina person based on her looks, what would you say, Clive?

 

I used to have a bit of a 'thing' with someone called Nicola Evans.

It wasn't her.

 

Speak for yourself, weirdo.

 

I remembered a case I have personally experienced from many, many years ago. A miscarriage of justice against a young girl.

This would be early 80s when I was living in gladstone road and was a little motorcycle Michael around the Watford ring road of an evening.

Anyway, at that time, I was seeing a nice little muchacha who worked in the Watford Junction ticket office. I was working at Euston. We were both late teens or early 20s.

One particular day I called her up on the BR system to see how she was doing, and the fella that answered the phone went all peculiar. Stuttering and acting strange. No I couldn't speak to her, no she wasn't there. Eventually I managed to extract from them, that she'd been arrested and taken to the cop shop up the road!

Man I went flying and of course in those days I was full of pįss and vinegar, so it was genuinely lucky there were no cops around when I got back to Watford because I was ready to start fighting. I was boiling hot.

She had been accused of thieving cash out of the ticket office!

I knew immediately she hadn't done it. I knew the girl and she was never a thief. Not in a million years. She wasn't that way.

Besides, we'd only just got paid and so we're flush (weekly pay in cash paypackets in those days). We had many, many times of being skint. Even to being hungry and ripping one of the cheapest burgers you can get in half between us and that is all the food for the day. If she was going to rob, it would have been then.

I forget who else showed up there, someone who calmed me down a bit and convinced me not to fight cops. We went to the cop shop and some female cop, similar to DCI Evans above, came out all ingratiating and smiling. All friendly like.

"It's OK, she's confessed!" She told us. I was dumbstruck. What?! Confessed?! I couldn't believe it. I had to accept it. If she said she did it, then she must have. She must have gone mad or something.

Anyway, DCI Evans-alike told us they were just finishing off the paperwork and then she'd be released. We sat around waiting and eventually she appeared.

She was an absolute blubbering wreck. Destroyed. Absolutely ruined. Of course we said to her "why did you do it?". She sobbed that she hadn't, but the cops had her in there for about 6 hours shouting and accusing and threatening. Doing the good cop, bad cop. Everything. If she Confessed, she'd be free to go they told her. Might not even get charged. Might not even lose her job. Everyone knew she'd done it. The evidence was overwhelming. Just write the confession and you can go. Your boyfriend is waiting for you outside and so on and so on. She had caved in and done it, just to get out of there and away from them.

I had to go back to the ticket office and get her handbag and jacket. Some fat bird was behind the window and I was boiling again and knew it. I was all clenched up and ready for action. I just said to the fat girl "Bag. Jacket" and tried to control myself. She went off and fetched the items and passed them under the ticket window, but then she made some comment or other. I can't remember what. Something smart alecky.

Well I don't know how that window didn't break because I hurled myself at it and the fat girl jumped a mile... I got dragged off by the other people I was with and was lucky I suppose because I would have got the sack too and maybe worse, because I was after flattening the lot of them.

The evidence

It came to light that the prosecution evidence was as follows:-

1. £20 had gone missing. It was a new £20 note that had disappeared. My muchacha, the youngest and newest in the ticket office, was the ONLY one who had access to the area from where the £20 note had gone missing.

2. On the same evening of the missing £20 note, my muchacha had shown up at the ticket window and bought a ticket at full price (not using the priv card which gives us a staff discount - she'd forgotten it at home). And she had purchased this ticket using....you've guessed it...a new £20 note!

3. She was young and often came to work wearing a leather biker jacket. A clear and obvious measure of a delinquent! All the dirty staff members and supposed colleagues had written damning statements saying how they'd long had their suspicions about her. It wasn't the first time money had gone missing, but now they'd caught the culprit red handed!

4. Full signed confession to the dirty deed.


Well, they charged her (and sacked her of course) and eventually the big day in court arrived.

The case didn't take long. She was not guilty on all counts.

The judge threw out the confession and castigated the cops for breaking the judges' rules on questioning.

Her brief got up and asked them how many new £20 notes were printed in the UK each day? He asked them whether she would have got £20 notes in her pay packet? Erm..yes. He also tore them to shreds about her having the only access to the area where the money went missing.

So it was all thrown out. The railway had to take her on again, but they wouldn't put her in the ticket office again. Well she didn't want to work with those people who had stitched her up anymore anyway. They put her announcing instead.

The area manager who took her back on told her "you might have got found innocent in the court, but we are absolutely clear in our minds that you're a thief and the first chance we get, we're getting rid of you." She worked announcing for a while, but couldn't stand the stigma and eventually jacked it in after a few months.


A year or so later - a revelation! It turns out the £20 didn't go missing from tbe ticket office after all! Not on that day, nor the others when cash had supposedly gone missing.

It was the guards on tbe Abbey Flyer fiddling the floats they were given.

Certainly messed up that poor girl. That's for sure.

 

It would depend if they looked like a cruel cop or not.

 

Was she known as Nicki Evans?

 

Hmmmm.

 

Normal!? Really?

Are you telling me you wouldn't be suspicious if she came into your pub and started asking everyone if they knew where she could "buy some drugs"?

 

Does Lucy Letby have any railway employees in her family or friendship groups? We deserve to know. Could turn out she was innocent all along, fitted up by the choo choo mafia.

 

Well it was an example of how when something serious went wrong, everyone from the top managers down to ordinary colleagues all absolutely stitched up a poor innocent, meaning they themselves were in the clear.

It couldn't be their slack management and procedures. It must be the youngest and newest girl in the leather jacket.

 

Not really, Nic if anything.

 

Ah Nic Evans?

 

I think we look at things in different ways. Perhaps you haven't experienced the brutish cops here too much.