It's War!

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Jan 12, 2024.

  1. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Out of nowhere, we have decided that Britain must join the USA as very junior assistant and respectability figleaf in dropping bombs on Yemen.

    This is part of the wonderfully named 'Operation Prosperity Guardian' and is taking place to protect the essential right of freedom of navigation, something that is top of the list of all of us, and the god-given right of entrepreneurs, the free flow of trade and wealth creators to ship via the fastest route.

    The BBC breakfast is all over it. There is loads of footage of missiles, jet fighter planes and rockets whooshing off. Laser guided they are. Richie Sunk is "confident" they hit their targets. We don't see any pictures of people getting splatted as a result of these, but there is a little footage from Yemeni TV of massive fackin' explosions going off over their capital city. The Yemenis have confessed apparently to 'damage'. No mention of any deaths and there was no further news on the health of prosperity and entrepreneurship, so everything must be ok. Richie Sunk says firing all these bombs was NOT aggressive. No, no, no. How on earth could you think that? Aggressive? Bombs?! No, no,.no. It was self defence and so perfectly alright. Lord Dannel (sp?) who is a plummy voiced old posh fella in a suit is wheeled out and agrees entirely. 100%. No question. Everything is fine.

    In other news, some ladies talked at length about their tripe and innards falling out of their fannies. A big problem they said. One lady explained that she woke up in the morning and her first thought was 'vagina, vagina, vagina'. Maybe I have the condition, because I've woken up sometimes with the same thoughts.

    Then there was some moon-faced, socially awkward girl in lycra promoting the return of the TV show The Gladiators.

    And over to Tom for the weather...
     
  2. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Well, it’s deployment of armed forces overseas!

    The U.K. hasn’t formally declared war since 1942.
     
  3. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's all just stage-managed by the government of the day. If they want to do this (broadly) on the quiet they can. There was little/no need to brief or leak it in advance except so Rishi could look like a decisive man of action for an evening. And oh look, guess where he is this morning... Kiev. Funny how things work out.
     
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  4. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Election year n the US and UK. The current Governments both looking very weak and shaky. What better way to give themselves a boost than drop some bombs somewhere foreign to give the frothing thickos who fall for this kind of thing something to get excited and patriotic about.

    A story as old as the hills.

    Truly Sunak and co are the absolute worst of the worst.

    Then comes the false simcerity. Mealy mouthed words dripping with self interest. “Difficult decisions… national security… our friends and allies in America…”

    Not sure what’s most depressing. The fact it’s happened or the fact enough people are stupid enough to fall for this rubbish that it’s happened.
     
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  5. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    "The UK will always stand up for freedom and the free flow of trade," says Sunak.

    Just not freedom of movement to EU countries, or free trade with EU countries, though. Not those freedoms or free trade.

    He's very confident that the British public are stupid.
     
  6. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Reports elsewhere from US based members say Biden's doing just fine, so forgive me for being a little confused (not).

    So is Biden a war mongering Democrat, once again asserting the US foreign policy that is reponsible for the lives of millions, prepared to use human lives for his own political gains, dragging us Brits in to sweeten the dose? Or is he the defender of world peace, bravely standing at the front of the worldwide struggle for democracy?

    I know the answer. Just wondering if anyone else does.
     
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  7. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    It's essential that ship loads of 'Made in China' tat aren't delayed on their way to Poundland.

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  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    We are undertaking a military campaign and the Defence Secretary is Grant Shapps. Let that sink in.
     
  9. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Of all the epithets that could be attached to our Rishi, ‘truly’ is not one I’d choose!
     
  10. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Shīt's getting real now people.

    Did you think this barrage of high explosives launched at a residential city wouldn't affect you, nice and cosy sat at home? Eh?

    DM brings the SHOCKING news that marmite could go up by as much as 12p and country life butter by 10p.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ermarket-price-rise-cargo-ships-diverted.html


    Yeah. Not quite so funny now, is it? The realities of war starting to strike home..
     
  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Glad marmite is going up as it’s absolutely disgusting stuff. Parents, who give children marmite on bread and then stand aside while the infant proceeds to smear it all over their face, should have to go to parent retraining camps.
     
  12. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    Keeping the Red Sea - Suez Canal open is essential for Chinese trade and to keep its economy going. China is totally reliant on oil shipped from the Gulf States. Europe can still access it via the canal and the top of the Red Sea, but that’s a long way round for the Chinese. The US is a net exporter of oil.

    The last the west need is another reason for the Chinese to create a set of distractions for their population if the economy declines.

    Like more campaigns against millions of Muslims within its borders. You know those 160,000 closed mosques used by the Uyghurs in Xinjiang, the forced sterilisation of Muslim women, the concentration camps, the tens of thousands of children taken from their Muslim families to state boarding schools for a bit of cultural correction. The millions of Muslim adults detained in re-education camps, and forced work camps. Just waiting to graduate as proper Chinese citizens.

    Or, of course threatening Taiwan. China also supplies of all North Korea’s oil which originates from the gulf. Imagine how the North Koreans would react if they thought they were going to run out of oil if the Chinese government prioritised domestic consumption rather than supplying their mad neighbours.

    If the West does not keep the shipping lanes open the Chinese will be forced to do so themselves and no one (particularly India) wants the Chinese navy hanging around the strait of Bab al-Mandab. Particularly as the Chinese navy has not got the logistics to support a naval task force that far from home - Unlike the US with its numerous carrier strike forces, so the Chinese would be forced to “borrow” a supply base half way.

    it’s a burden keeping these dictatorial states stable, but someone has to do it.
     
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  13. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    At least Biden was elected. Unlike our last two Prime Ministers. We didn't get a vote on either of them. But hey, that's democracy folks and as the Brexit loons keep reminding us, it's absolutely essential that our leaders are all voted in and out by the public. Right. Right?
     
  14. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    No, that’s great. You voted for him. Don’t blame us.

    But interesting that you haven’t figured out that no prime minister is ever voted in by the people. Only the party. We don’t have a President. The prime minister is not on the ballot.
     
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  15. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    While politicians fron the earliest times have used war as a vehicle to boost their prestige and use them.for electioneering from Ancient Greece to the present and both Biden and Sunak ate completely incompetent the only people to blame for these air strikes are the proxies of that well known Liberal democracy Iran.

    Freedom of navigation on the seas should be a guaranteed matter. And the protection of territorial waters. Be it at this chokepoint , off the Somalian coast or the nefarious operations of Chinese vessels globally.

    And the safety of the crews on these vessels many of whom hail from developing nations and support their families back home.

    Piracy and other violations of maritime need to be dealt with.
     
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  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I think the problem with this lies with when do we believe it started?

    We’ve been assisting Saudi Arabia to blow the hell out of Yemen for years. We take no action over the disproportionate response in Gaza other than to keep supply lines open.

    I agree that the Iranian regime is among the worst in the World and I would love to see it fall.
     
  17. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Does anyone remember those days when the media constantly told us (you morons) that orange man would lead us all on a path to Armageddon and that Sleepy Joe was the answer ?
    How has this panned out for you clowns ?
    Cos it will take some enormous mental gymnastics for Biden enthusiasts to blame Ukraine/Gaza/Red Sea/Yemen/Afghan retreat/You name it on Orange man .
     
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  18. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    If your cooker won't get pressure, put the blame on Donald Trump.
    If the electricity went off and you can't watch TV, put the blame on Donald Trump.
    If the neighbour came over and caused a big scene, put the blame on Donald Trump.
    If the lack of ozone layer makes you very hot, put the blame on Donald Trump.
    If someone touches you from behind, put the blame on Donald Trump.

     
  19. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Puce-faced porcine sex pest Lord Cameroon emerges from his Cotswold shepherd's hut to announce the UK had "No Choice" but to drop bombs on a foreign residential city.

    Some fools might think that obvious other choices might have been some form of negotiation or diplomacy to try to stop the attacks, or perhaps sending some of the enormous US navy to patrol the area in question and protect shipping, or perhaps some other type of solution that didn't involve murdering a load of people including, undoubtedly, innocents.

    Although these may appear to have been choices, the only REAL choice was more bomb-dy-bomb-bomb-bomb. All you can do in such circumstances really. Let 'em have it! Blast 'em to smithereens!
     
  20. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    The lesson that hasn't been learnt, going all the way back to Vietnam, is that you cannot fight a decentralised, civilian based aggressor using conventional weapons and tactics.

    What is needed are small "MTB" style boats to patrol and react to the attacks, not huge lumbering air craft carriers and destroyers etc.

    I'm sure the US has the financial resources to provide a small gun boat to accompany each cargo ship until the attacks stop. The trouble is they've spent all their money on air craft and air craft carriers that are only good for indiscriminate "raids".

    And if you are going to go for land attacks then precise, intelligent based, special forces incursions would be more effective than blowing up civilians imho.
     
  21. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    It's a bit hard to negotiate with people who are so entrenched in their rhetoric. Have you seen these Houth's celebrating the 7th of December attacks ? Like the regime in Iran they are barbarians They've no interest in the welfare of ordinary citizens , the rights of women barring them.being birthing machines and wie betide any secularists atheists or homosexuals.

    It's the same issue with Hamas. They pursue this genocidal philosophy espoused by their spiritual founder who was chums with Hitler and Eichmann and who had already instigated mass killings of Jews in Iran and Egypt on the twenties and thirties.

    It's difficult to negotiate with such people who are so hate filled and who are so backward on their mindset mostly thanks to their adherence to a religion that for most of it's 1400 years espoused intolerance and ill treatment of non believers.

    Most young people in Iran want to break the shackles and it's a pity we can't lend them a helping hand to overthrow that tyrannical regime.
     
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  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    We’ve been supplying weapons the Saudis have used to slaughter 100s of thousands of Houthis, while nearly 100k Yemeni children have died of starvation.

    I expect they believe we are hard to negotiate with too.
     
  23. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Difficult, but impossible? I'm not so sure. Perhaps an invitation to downing street or the whitehouse for 'talks' might be accepted for the prestige of it. We don't necessarily even have to make concessions.

    Perhaps it's a long shot, but imo it stands a slightly better chance of success than trying to make them mend their ways by dropping bombs on their cities.

    Why is it always 'impossible' to negotiate?

    Why is it always possible to drop bombs and murder people?

    If the Houthis let off some bombs here now and kill people, then we can hardly complain, can we? I expect they have no choice either.
     
  24. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    GOTCHA!!!

    BOOM!!!

    $30 Million Yankee drone bagged by rebels with cries of 'have it!'

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-rebels-claim-crew-forced-abandon-vessel.html


    BOOM!!

    "Catastrophic damage" suffered by massive Brit cargo ship. Missile-d it 3 times up its rowlocks, leaving it slowly sinking to Davy Jones locker and with a tender behind.

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    Nobody injured and nobody killed, but a big financial blow and embarrassing for the imperialists who thought they would drop a load of bombs on them without any consequences.


    So now, predictably, things have been made worse, what do foreign policy experts suggest Britain does next?

    More bombs? Step it up some more?
     

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