Those German footballers with their hands over their mouths . Free speech and everything. Not one piece of nuance . Not one saying . Leave politics out of it . Just let me play football . Free speech? No chance . Cos we all know what would happen if Gunter went off piste
Saint Gary of Linekar , the hell of guy of helluva guys , banging on , and on about all sorts of stuff whilst taking the Qatari dollar and lecturing the plebs about global warming whilst taking a plane to Qatar. Why not do the show from the studio in Manchester , Gal ? . But hey! He says such nice things and his hashtags .......
I suspect it’s the product of pretty heavy weekend boozing. Not knocking you for that in the slightest but it’s the only realistic justification I can come up with.
Politics and football have been intrinsically linked since a ball was first kicked competitively, that's not gonna change anytime soon. Do you think the Austrian footballers who were forced to play for Germany in 1938 after their annexation of Austria wanted to leave the politics out of it and just play for Germany? Do you think the supporters didn't care or want to talk about such an issue? Some of the biggest derbies in world football have been formed from politics and religion rather than footballing matters.
You could always reply without the drunkard insult ? I mean if I were pissed then I could be coated off without issue !
Bunch of cowards too frightened to against the non sensical bellendery that infests our day to day lives . Shame on you
Hey Pointdexters , never mind the alcohol, what is your GENUINE, opinion on those waffling on about the environment who have taken the plane to Qatar? . Or those banging on about human rights who are taking the shilling ? Cos we all know that after this World cup the great the good and the white liberal will forget about Qatar and start banging on about sumpfink else . Canutes
You might want to read up on Austro German history a little. The ruling party in Austria (a country that was forced to drop "German" as a prefix by the treaty of Versai), was called the Fatherland Front, and was considered a right wing nationalist corporatist single party state (read Germanic fascists) long before Hitler took power in Germany. Austria considered itself a Germanic country, and its population considered themselves the same as other Germanic people. It is a bit simplistic to suggest that unification of the two nationalist states that considered themselve to have a shared heritage was undesirable to all parties involved. And of the two states, it is very naive to think that Austria (Hitler's own home land) lacked the nationalistic enthusiasm of the other nation with which it formed the Fatherland.
Matthias Sindelar (https://thesefootballtimes.co/2020/...fied-the-nazis-for-one-last-act-of-greatness/) was the most famous player that was called up, although being a hardcore Austrian nationalist he refused (and was conveniently found dead less than a year later) but 9 out of the 22 players called up for the German 1938 WC team were Austrian Franz Wagner Joseph Stroh Stefan Skoumal Willibald Schmaus Rudolf Raftl Hans Mock Hans Pesser Leopold Neumer Wilhelm Hahnemann Germany bombed (no pun intended) in the tournament and the German side of the dressing room and larger German population blamed the Austrians for not trying enough, despite Austria beating Germany 2-0 the year before.
Good job I neither thought or said that it was undesirable to all then isn't it. Whilst i'm sure most were on board, a few players (and the Austrian manager I believe) were against it and it's very naive to think that it wasn't talked about (either positively or negatively) within the general population. Ergo, politics and football mixing.
All very good. But the original intent and tone of your post has now changed from an inference of many innocents resisting the nazis, to a couple of nazis resisting the rest of the nazis. It doesn't quite have the same ring to it
The idea of a unification of the German-speaking parts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire with Germany became popular in the aftermath of the 1871 unification of Germany itself. It remained a constant theme even amongst left wing and centrist Austrians, and was strong after the 1919 Treaty of St Germain that saw a significant portion of the best agricultural land and industrial areas of the Austrian part of the Hapsburg Empire being given to nations other than Austria. However, during the later 1920s and into the early 1930s that support lessened somewhat and when Dolfuss' Christian Social Party developed its own form of 'Austrofascism' it was strongly tied to the Catholic Church and explicitly differentiated itself from 'Protestant Germany'. Interestingly, Austria's main support against the perceived risk from Germany came from Fascist Italy. Of course, there was still strong support in Austria for the homegrown incarnation of the Nazi Party, as there was for the Communists and more radical socialists. The pressure on the Nazi organisation was so great that many leading Austrian Nazis fled to exile in Germany, and in 1934 Dolfuss was assassinated by them. His successor, Schuschnigg, attempted to continue with the same policies, but Hitler's successes in the Saarland and the Rhineland clearly resonated with many Austrians, of all political tendencies, who felt they had been badly treated in 1919 and had been left in an economically unviable position; a viewpoint with a lot of validity. Eventually, in 1938, Schuschnigg felt forced to call for a national plebiscite on the question of Anschluss with Germany; there was no guarantee that there would be a majority in favour of Anschluss, especially not after the Vatican condemned the Nazis and instructed Catholics not to support it. So a month before it was due to be held, Hitler ordered an invasion and the eventual plebiscite was held under German Nazi control, with a predictable result. There is no evidence to suggest that a majority of Austrians supported Anschluss, even less that they were Nazis.
It really hasn't. 9 players changed nationality, with at least a couple resisting it or publicly weren't on board with it (including the manager). I said the general public would've cared about it (one way or another) and would've talked about. I know reading comprehension might be hard but at no point did I say anything about large numbers of people resisting it...
Yeah. OK. You miss my point, but no probs. I think this response, along with your previous one, makes the point I am making absolutely clear. But I'm happy for us not to agree.
To be fair I would be lining up all singing and dancing families up against a wall and shooting them too. I want the hills alive with the sound of nature.
It's good to see the whining of the Austrians that "...we were the first victims of the Nazis..." repeated in English. My German relatives always remarked that their Bavarian speaking 'cousins' during the Reich made great efforts of out-German the Germans and out-Nazi the Nazis.
A lot did, but many did not. That's not to say 'Austrofascism' was anything other than exactly what that phrase implies; but the discussion touched upon whether the majority of Austrians openly wanted Anschluss. Whether you want to think they got what they deserved is a separate issue.
It’s got it all, scenery, great tunes, Nazis, Christopher Plummer. You are in for a treat this Xmas. 8.1 says IMDB and that’s a bit low imo. As a kid it struck me as kitsch rubbish I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole, so I never watched it. It is totally fab though.
I've not deliberately avoided it. I've just not seen it. I did start watching as a kid but got a migraine 5 minutes in! May be that's why I've not seen it since. There is a subconscious association with migraines!
Well. That is the whole point of the movie, isn't it Moose? Austria, as a country that went to war with the rest of the world on the side of the nazis, had good people who considered themselves Austrian and loved their country, with no ill will to anyone, and who were subdued and persecuted by their fellow countrymen, as well as the Germans. As I say. You don't need me to prove how poorly made, or ill informed, your arguments are. If you could put that with one of your pretty pictures, I think it would look rather nice.
I really don’t think the film’s intention was for you to feel as sympathetic to the Nazis as to Julie Andrews, but that explains a lot about your childhood.
