Four Hours At The Capitol

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Oct 22, 2021.

  1. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    A couple of weeks ago? So good for her.
     
  2. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Re narcissism, see all of your absolutist posts on Third World.

    Re the rest. So. Where did I call someone on here a fascist?

    If that is the best you have, I suggest you consider retracting your insulting comment.

    I am entitled to be of the opinion that the left is full of racism. I am entitled to say that, and every time I do I explain why.

    I am entitled to point out when posters say things that appear more right wing than left wing, and when I do I also explain why.

    You are entitled to say that racism is a right wing issue, hopefully with some form of justification that is less than fourty years old.

    But make no mistake, I always explain why.

    If you find it offensive that the modern view of the left is that it adopts racist theologies, then perhaps you should distance yourself from them.

    You defending the term third world, which is widely considered by 'third world countries' to be detestible and racist, or criticising me for my views on CRT, is your business. I don't call you a fascist for it.

    But people are free to judge you on your actions. The worst forms of racism right now are on the left. As in lefties. It doesn't mean all of them.

    That doesn't mean you are a fascist, and I have never said anyone is, AS YOUR EVIDENCE ABOVE DEMONSTRATES. My whole intention is to wake you up to what I consider is factual; my honest opinion. But you don't have to agree. You could just say that Third World is an out dated and unpleasant term, but you defend it. You could say that CRT does define itself by first difining people by their race or colour (the definition of racism). But you choose not to.

    Again. It is not me calling you a fascist or making you look like a fascist.

    If anything, it is you and your inability to see the wood for the trees, or even accept that you may be even the slighest bit wrong, given international opinion and the written word of original speakers, that seems to cast you in the poor light that you accuse me of shining on you. I am afraid you are winding yourself up.

    Please can you stop this before you get the thread shut down.
     
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  3. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Just to put that partial quote in context.

    The post followed a message in which a poster made some false statements about Kyle Rittenhause, who was found not guilty by a jury after a four week trial, and is a legitimate question about making false statements to justify authoritarian false judgements on a person...
    I am sorry. But to a neutral reading that, you again appear to be implying that the person I am discussing the matter with is allowed to go uncriticised for falsely accusing someone. Like fascists might do for political reasons. It doesn't make them a fascist, but it is fair to ask the question, surely?
     
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  4. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Poster asks for evidence of when he has said something. Evidence provided in the form of quotes from his own posts. The response is what he said is not what he said, or he was entitled to say it. Accusing various posters of acting like fascists is apparently not accusing them of that, although I’d venture that’s exactly how the addressees interpreted the imputation.
    I had been warned I suppose.
     
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  5. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Are you saying again that I called people fascists?

    Perhaps I should report you, because you still haven't provided any justification.

    I said what I said, and nowhere in the 'evidence' you put up, do I call anyone a fascist.

    Yep, I ask them what their authoritarian behaviour (when seen in context), using fascist techniques (which, again, you appear to defendt by criticising me for recognising them), infers, giving them the opportunity to defend their behaviour, but I do not call anyone a fascist. And uou know it. But, once again, you are unable to accept that you were wrong when you insulted me, and do not have the grace to admit it.

    All of your quotes above lack context, and all you do by citing them is give the appearance of defending the behaviour I was describing.

    Again. You make yourself seem far worse than I do. You really don't have tp defend it at all. But here you are...

    Mods. I am defending myself from unsupported accusations of calling people fascist. That is why I continue with it. The other poster is insisting I did call people fascists, but has not given justification for saying so.

    I make no complaint of him. But I do, fairly, wish to defend myself from his lies. Could he be told to put up or shut up, please. For the sake of the forum.
     
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  6. reids

    reids First Team

    Just easier to block and ignore than go round in circles in the same old tired arguments and deflections. Been much better on here since I did that :D
     
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  7. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    I have 46 people on ignore hahaha. Probably more than that have me on ignore though.

    It is good advice to Since63 though, he must have spent 45 minutes or so fishing around various threads to pull up Henry Hoover on things giving him the attention he feeds off.
     
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  8. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Hilariously bizarre.
     
  9. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    You’ve spent two or so years trying to triangulate your arguments so you could imply people you were replying to were fascists/racists/homophobes/misogynists whatever. That’s no different to calling people it.

    Here’s an example of where I replied to Davy and you took the baton and ran with it. It’s hilariously off beam, completely ignoring the actual discussion going on, just so you can throw a few accusations. I only described as white supremacists those who are actually it and would claim to be so.

    You’ve been skilfully called on it now, just gracefully admit you overstepped at times and everyone can move on.
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  10. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Are there 46 people on this forum?
     
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  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    He doesn’t know you wrote that.
     
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  12. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Tbf, I would put me on ignore.
     
  13. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    But how would you correct your own spelling/grammar mistakes?
     
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  14. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    :eek::mad:
     
  15. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I agree. 100%
     
  16. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Good of you to include the post I was replying to. In which you say that people posting their concerns about trans gender and woke issues are white supremacist. Perhaps you could just gracefully admit you overstepped at times and everyone can move on.:D

    If you call people fascists without justification, don't expect people to ignore the chance when you act like one. Not saying you are. Just saying you act like them. See above.

    I note that other posters have skillfully avoided calling you on it though.
     
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  17. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    That appears to be an admission that you have lost the argument. If you can't provide the proof, attack the person.
     
  18. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Says the person who simply decides to discount any proof when it suits him.
     
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  19. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    No. I don’t say that. You insist on inverting what I said. This is the problem.

    Davy threw the accusations of white supremacists at ‘the wokes’ and I suggested he concentrate on real ones and mentioned some things they (avowed white supremacists) are prejudiced about.

    I did not say having an opinion on those things makes anyone a white supremacist.

    You are making a fool of yourself. Save some dignity and be contrite for your previous behaviour. I’ve shown you a post where you completely overstepped, one of many, so you get where @Since63 is coming from. Don’t dig a hole.
     
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  20. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Just got around to watching Biden's State of the Union address from last night.

    Very impressive stuff and a great performance from him that should satisfy a lot of doubters.

    I wasn't expecting much when I voted for him - in fact, he was my 2nd least favourite Democrat candidate in the primaries for the 2020 election - but he's far surpassed my expectations. If he pulls off half the policies he alluded to yesterday, I will be very pleased indeed.
     
  21. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    You are the one who literally complained about me reminding you of ‘historic’ things you said ages ago. You are now insisting on continuing that argument.

    You showed yourself, above, completely overstepping the mark, no matter what contradictory reasoning you try to explain it away with. I was clearly reacting to the very words you were using, which very much implied that people’s concerns about trans issues and wokeness is the stuff of white supremacy. I am concerned about both things, I believe with good reason, so your implications are offensive to me, and I am likely the least white supremacist person you could imagine.

    The most overt time that racism was portrayed on this forum, remember that I was the only person who responded to it with criticism, and that others on here defended the person who said it. If that is not a reason to ask questions, what is.

    You just think it is OK when you are provocative, and make sweeping insinuations. So I am here to tell you it is not, and to throw it back at you. Like people do on discussion forums.

    You are fully aware of the reasons why I described your behaviour as being parallel with racism. I described them by quoting your own words and the language you used. The only reason I mention it now is because of the accusations you are making towards me. Otherwise I have attempted to respect the request of the mods.

    The fact that you are now trying to talk on the subject, to complain about me calling people out on here, I think is good reason for me to justify pointing those things out.


    Have some respect. Primarily for yourself.

    If I am digging a hole, I have a long way to go to get to your level.
     
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  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Hooter - I don’t call people ‘fascists!’ Mods!
    Here’s a post where you do.
    Hooter - You deserved it!

    Case closed, back to ignore.
     
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  23. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    I dont know how I managed to get 46, counted them just before i posted yesterday, was quite shocked.
     
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    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

  25. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  26. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    You pick out the bit where I call people fascists mate. Show me it...

    'If I call you fascist', as you had just implied I was a white supremacist, you would complain. People had said I called posters fascists; there are two examples of Since 63 doing so above, and it has been unpleasantly and openly been implied that I am a nazi on here, by repeatedly taunting me with Harry Hornet's initials (oh the terrible horror of it :D) as a primary indicator that I am a fascist.

    I have never called you a fascist. But I have pointed out where you acted in a manner similar to fascists, and asked you how you squared it. I agreed with the mods not to bring it up again, because you asked them to ask me to do that, somewhat akin to a child appealing to its mother.

    But now, for some reason, you and since63 have chosen to bring the subject up again. I guess it is really a matter of you trying to prevent me from responding to your insults with unpleasant reality.

    I hope you can keep the case closed. But I suspect not.
     
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  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

     
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  28. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Nail on the head. Grass roots Republicans seem furious about it too.

    Sure sign that the GOP leadership is not in tune with the rest of the party.
     
  29. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    To clarify, Britt is exactly the performative Nikki Haley type of Republican that are so fake they insil no confidence. There are plenty on the left too, like AOC, Jamie Raskin, etc..

    Politics would be better off with more genuine people speaking their mind. But, alas, the establishment get upset when that happens, and call on their foot soldiers to attack them as unlike 'us'. Say, Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, if they rear their ugly heads.
     
  30. reids

    reids First Team

    Orban has spilled Trumps masterplan to end the Ukraine war - cut all funding to Ukraine, allowing Russia to win and ultimately do whatever they want. What a genius!
     
  31. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Wow! What a strategist! What could possibly go wrong?
     
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  32. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    How do you know so much?

    I'll lay odds that Ukraine will cede land to Russia, probably the land that would have been ceded if they had negotiated peace in the first place. That and reassurances about NATO, including that it will come down hard on Russia if they renege., I imagine.

    All those hundreds of thousands of deaths? All they have achieved is to make lots of very wealthy industrialists even richer, and bring about crises acrpos the world. As well as the Biden administration causing fuel inflation in Europe (he said they would do it and they did it).

    But don't worry. Biden, or the establishment, is not going to hand power over to Trump. Rest assured.
     
  33. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    In March 2022 columns of Russian tanks and soldiers were marching on Kiev from the North. They got to Bucha (About where Rickmansworth is in relation to Greater London) and murdered hundreds of civilians.

    So any claim that it was as easy as just giving up the Donbas (and the 6.65m living there) is nonsense. Russia would have taken it all with thousands of Ukranian military and officials disappeared, imprisoned or murdered.

    Irrelevant to you, because your only desire in life appears to be to have Trump reelected, so any version of the facts will do for that end.
     
  35. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I would say it is irrelevent to you, because you appear comfortable with the people of Ukraine laying down their lives to achieve nothing except enrich the military industrial complex. 'At least they tried' is not much consolation to the generations of young Ukraonian men, not to mention the civilians, who have already perished because it is in Biden's interest that they fight a limited war against Russia.

    With the options available, yes, I would prefer Trump. I would be happy to see a more convivial alternative, but there are few that will run on an anti establishment ticket, particularly when Biden's DOJ are so keen on arresting and charging their political rivals, much like Putin in Russia.

    You would rather see Biden, who arguably brought on the war with his show of weakness and 'Russia can invade a lttle bit" rhetoric, remain in power and would not bat an eye if Trump was eliminated from the election through political macinations, if your posts regarding him are anything to go by. He still has not been charged, let alone convicted of insurrection, and has not been convicted of rape or even sexual assault. Yet you accuse him of all three.

    After nearly ten years, don't you think it is time someone actually convicted him of something they accuse him of?

    I still believe 100% that Russia wouldn't have gone into Ukraine if Trump was in charge. And I believe Putin would trust Trump in a deal. Not because they are in cahoots, but because Putin knows that Trump is not a war hawk like Biden. Again. Trump has no use in war. He is a trading businessman with no interest in the military industrial complex.
     
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