Brics - The New World Financial Power

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Jun 17, 2023.

  1. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa are the founder members. Huge economies and massive access to resources.

    They're due to meet in August this year. On the agenda is a new international currency - fully backed by gold or precious metals. The old 'gold standard' we used to have. Of course the mighty US Dollar is not backed by anything at all. It's completely imaginary.

    Item 2 is the accession of new member countries to the group. There are a lot of applications. A lot!

    1. Argentina
    2. Algeria
    3. Afghanistan
    4. Bangladesh
    5. Bahrain
    6. Belarus
    7. Cormoros
    8. CUBA!
    9. DR Congo
    10. Egypt
    11. Gabon
    12. Guinea Bissau
    13. Indonesia
    14. Kazakhstan
    15. Iran
    16. Mexico
    17. Nicaragua
    18. Nigeria
    19. Pakistan
    20. Saudi Arabia
    21. Senegal
    22. Sudan
    23. Syria
    24. Thailand
    25. Tunisia
    26. Turkey
    27. United Arab Emirates
    28. Uruguay
    29. Venezuela
    30. Zambia


    That's a total GDP that dwarfs the G7 by the way.

    This is going to be a big step in the decline of the US empire and its global clout over the next decade or so.
     
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  2. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Also, since we're not part of the EU anymore, we could apply to join.

    The USA is bankrupt anyway. Trillions in debt. We don't want to sink with the dollar do we?
     
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  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    There is definitely a shift in power and that may be good for the World in the long run. The USA has been a destructive and often malign influence.

    In the short term, if it makes Countries timid about criticising Russia or China, that will be unfortunate.
     
  4. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Guest

    I can’t see China being any worse than the US, who have had a forever war approach to foreign policy under every President bar Trump over the last forty years.

    If it wasn’t for the fact that they are our bullying big brother Ally, I don’t think we would see much about them that would attract us, if we were looking at them, from the outside, with equal skepticism to that with which we view other potential super powers.

    The EU is even worse, with its 19 Century view of world power. At least the US has an outlook that was formed in the last eighty years.

    I can’t see China, or any other power (are you seriously suggesting Russia as a dominant world power?) looking to use subjugation, as that model has always led to short term power, and the East always seems to have a less temporally driven approach to things. I am optimistic that what is to come will be better than what is currently the norm. Though there may be much pain getting to the good bit.

    The sooner the US pulls back on it’s meddling and starts focussing more on trade with its “enemies” the better. A Trump like President, who has no use for war and a love of trade and business, would allow the US to continue with grace, but the current corrupt US elites are determined to die a schizophrenic death, fighting proxy wars to maintain power that causes pain to everyone on this earth. I can’t help but feel that a huge rejection of US leadership is coming (necessitated by the increasingly absurdist nature of the US government) and a more favourable, though needfully cautious, view will be given to the alternatives.

    I don’t hold with the idea that we can’t go on without a US, because America is currently proving that we can’t go on with them.
     
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  5. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    They've been talking about the bric economy for years. It's not new
     
  6. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn First Team

    Didn't the world's biggest economies 'drop' the gold because it was a very inefficient/costly method (storage, security, cost of liquidity and compliance) and nobody walked into a bank asking for a "...pound's worth of gold - it's my right..." ISTR that the last economic superpower to announce a gold back currency DAESH/ISIS?
     
  7. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Not to mention that trading in Russian finances is currently suspended. If the EU wasn't so reliant on their energy and the world wasn't so reliant on Chinese industry we'd be in a better place.
     
  8. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    BRICS Summit agrees the entry of SIX new countries to the group:

    • Argentina,
    • Saudi Arabia,
    • Egypt,
    • Ethiopia,
    • the United Arab Emirates
    • Iran.
    They will become full members from 1st January 2024.

    The group now represents 42% of the world's population, 23% of global GDP and 18% of trade.

    A total of 40 (count 'em) countries applied for membership, but only these 6 have been taken on for the moment.

    There will be a further round of membership acceptances soon....
     
  9. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    Will you be moving to one of these countries Clive?
     
  10. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player


    Noooo. Cuba got turned down along with 34 other applicants. For the moment at least. India is worried about upsetting the US by being too anti-west.

    China insisted on Iran and Egypt apparently.

    Putin attended the meeting by video link and then his voice came out really strange - like weird robotic. God knows what happened there. I think it was Boney M who first observed: Those crazy Russians....
     
  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn First Team

    That's an interesting interpretation as I heard* it was Brazil and India who don't want to pivot 'away' from 'the West'.

    *From the guy who invented the term BRICS - he also maintained that the 'S' (South Africa) should be dropped due to the size and fragility of its economy.
     
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  12. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member


    Ra ra Vlad Putin

    There lived a certain man in Russia not so long ago
    He was small and mad, in his eyes, a flaming glow
    Most people looked at him with horror and jeers
    But to Moscow gymnasts , he was such a lovely dear

    China's probably eyeing up more rare earth metal and Lithium reserves.
     
  13. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    The USA is on course to have a younger population than Brazil by 2035. As nations like it and China rapidly urbanise, and children go from free labour to weed the fields and herd the animals, to becoming a burden you have to send to school, birth rates fall. Happened already in China.

    The US has the advantage (despite the rhetoric) of being willing and able to import 100,000s of young people to boost the workforce. It has huge resources of private capital, and a technological advantage over all other nations.

    Now that Biden has set the course for on shoring manufacturing. If that policy is maintained by the US for the next decade. They won’t be slipping behind any of the BRIC nations.

    The BRICs are going to fighting among themselves as India and nations like Vietnam catch up with the Chinese in manufacturing. With their cheaper labour costs.

    Wont be too long into the future, (my bet before 2033), that the US and Cuba come to a trade deal.
     
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  14. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Cuba is honoured to enter as a partner country in the BRICS, five letters and a great hope for the countries of the South, in the arduous path towards a more just, democratic, equitable and sustainable international order,” Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel wrote on X after his country's admission into the bloc.


    Also granted the new condition within BRICS were:
    Algeria,
    Belarus,
    Bolivia
    Indonesia,
    Kazakhstan,
    Malaysia,
    Nigeria,
    Thailand,
    Turkey,
    Uganda,
    Uzbekistan
    Vietnam.


    The bloc initially made up of:
    Brazil,
    Russia,
    India,
    China
    South Africa


    was extended with the entry of:
    Saudi Arabia,
    Egypt,
    United Arab Emirates,
    Ethiopia,
    Iran on Jan. 1, 2024.



    Thus, the group now represents almost half the world's population, 40% of global oil production, and around 25% of goods exports.


    Worried yet G7?
     
  15. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Why would a group of countries co-operating cause any worry?

    It's when countries like Russia fail to co-operate we need to worry. Putin is quoted as saying he wants to use the Brics partnership to increase it's role in the international financial community. Given Russia's assets are frozen by most of the worlds big economies maybe he should **** off out of Ukraine first?
     
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  16. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    The BRIC economies will no doubt grow, and take in the challenges that comes with it.

    Today Germany is a bigger economy than India. The UK economy is bigger than Brazils by about x1.5. Canada has a smaller economy than Italy, but it is still a bigger economy than Russia. Spain has a bigger economy than Indonesia. Turkey has a bigger economy than Saudi Arabia. But both are smaller than Netherlands economy.

    The G7 are still way ahead.
     
  17. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    This is moving quickly from the opening "naw, not worried in the least" arrogance of the West, to what seems to be something approaching hysterical panic.

    Remember this is now threatening *half* the population of the world with US sanctions. Hopefully this may prompt Mexico and Canada to also join up.

    An independent Britain could steal a march on the EU by joining up with Brics immediately.


    Trump threatens 100% tariff on Brics nations if they try to replace dollar

    "The idea that the BRICS Countries are trying to move away from the Dollar while we stand by and watch is OVER," Trump wrote on social media on Saturday.

    "We require a commitment from these countries that they will neither create a new Brics currency nor back any other currency to replace the mighty US dollar or they will face 100% tariffs and should expect to say goodbye to selling into the wonderful US economy, They can go find another sucker," he said.

     
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  18. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team


    India and China have a border dispute that in the last few years resulted in lethal conflicts (with sticks), I can't see BRICs achieving a shared currency anytime soon
     
  19. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Read this thread for the first time and it brought a tear to my eye to see Hooter’s username in different shades of grey. It’s like a tombstone! :)
     
  20. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Are you ok? Was it your sock account or something?
     
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  22. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team


    It's not sorted. I don't think they've solved the disputed border? Just de-escalated.

    Thinj how long it took to get through euro, that works through democratic unions and central banks.

    There is no way 4 countries with such different economies, undemocratic systems and goals are launching a shared currency anytime soon.

    The president of the united states is making angry threats on an online platform to other nations about a fantasy goal. What a ridiculous time to be alive
     

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