Yeah, the purported loan fee tips it into 'fair business' territory for me. Have to bear in mind too there wasn't exactly a procession of interested clubs.
I've run multiple scenarios on Football Manager. and FIFA. Dawson was imperious on FIFA and I sold him for 14 million to 'Muff. Whereupon he promptly received a red card for simulation and tore his knee ligaments in the process, ending his career. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am a genius and the owners are morons.
Something akin to what he produced for us just now. Inexplicably left a cross that resulted in a corner and then scored an og.
Thanks for nothing I guess. Apparently we wangle some extra dough if they qualify for Europe though, so come on the Hammers!
He was absolutely appalling for us. Dreadful defender. I believe he was also poor for WBA. Do wet spam use him in a different way?
He was poor for us, but is it fair to judge on a season when he was left horribly exposed by a midfield duo of Capoue and Doucoure who simply didn't want to be here which subsequently showed more and more as the season went on. The Brighton game on the first day of the season we may as well have not picked a midfield. Now he has a permanent deal at West Ham it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
Seemed to play well for WBA under Pulis when they'd just shove 10 men behind the ball, then phoned it in after they got relegated. Unfortunately we tried that tactic, and while it did stem the flow of goals against (apart from the infamous City game), it completely killed us going forward, so very quickly we needed more than just 10 men behind the ball, and it turned out he wasn't up to it at all...
Honeymoon period for him at the moment the **** performances will come next season glad to get the money and run
Great for WBA in the prem, great for WHU in the prem, **** for us in the prem. Some you win, some you lose. Good luck to him.
I think the truth is more often than not somewhere in the middle. I don’t think any of our defenders are as bad as we made them look last season, but with such a blunt attack they all came under more pressure than they should’ve. He did also have games when he actually performed very well, but like the whole team he had games when he clearly didn’t give a ****. Unfortunately that’s normally more costly when it’s a defender.
Beautiful timing: https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/twitter-talk/west-ham-united-fans-fume-at-craig-dawson/
Typical West Ham though - there was one guy on Talk sport the other week calling for Moyes to be sacked! They definitely wouldn't be doing as well with fans in the ground.
These are West Ham fans. The biggest whingers (behind Newcastle) in football. However, as expected. Dawson played above himself in order to seal a new contract. He was never going to be able to keep to that level for long......but long enough to fool West Ham. He's their problem now.
I don't think he ever recovered from slipping and BHA scored their first goal as a result. Moyes is nothing if not organised so it's worked well for him. Who will we spend £60m on?!
£2m has been the figure I've seen most talked about, plus a £1m loan fee for this season. No doubt about it, we got our fingers burned on this deal, as we have done many times in the past. We're just not very good at selling players on for a profit. Probably lost around £2.5m as we signed him from West Brom for £5.5m.
I think this is telling, for a start, Giraldi admitted we wanted Dawson to play football, which was always going to end badly, but also I suspect that Dawson is the kind of player who needs his hand held by a better defender. Also, even if we're going to give him the benefit of the doubt and not accuse him of playing up for a contract, was he ever going to keep up that kind of form?
That the club and fans at the time couldn't wait to get rid of for nothing. Let's be honest - would anyone have expected anyone to offer 5 million for Dawson? They play Leeds and won 2-0 but Leeds had 2 goals ruled out and missed 2/3 clear chances. Sometimes you can keep a clean sheet with luck rather than skill or great defending. Like you say he probably needs protection and support so once one defender goes out the whole thing falls down.
That's irrelevant on this particular deal. We had him for such a short period of time, that it was more a transfer we just passed on. We sign him for £5.5m then just 12 months later we move him on for £3m. It's just bad business by us.
So who would have paid 5 million for him when they probably kept hearing from our own fans how rubbish he was? Thin you need to be a bit realistic at times. Clubs won't make profits on players who haven't performed generally and are just moved out of the club to save money or because they don't want to be here. Even the top teams have to lose money on players on occasion.
As I say, I don't think the Dawson deal was bad in and of itself, but he was never going to be the defensive saviour we hoped he would be seeing as he was the only defensive signing of any significance for about 3 years. Let's say we brought someone like Sierralta alongside him at the same time, it may just have worked
Aye, you've said several times. Club buys player, player performs badly, club gets relegated, club needs money, player wants to leave, club sells at a loss. It is what it is. Will you get over it now?
His signing was bad business for several reasons but the financial hit is only a symptom of that rather than the cause.
I've asked you if teams often expect to make a profit on 29 year old defenders, and you haven't answered it. Instead, you again called it bad business, which you've already said several times.
I did answer it. I said your question was irrelevant. If you don't like the answer that's fine, but it was answered.
Dawson was a functional signing, not a speculative one like Sarr or Richarlison. I don’t suppose we ever expected to make a profit on him, just do a job in defence for a few years.
I’d suggest Moyes had an idea of how he’d fit in to the system he wanted to play. Not sure our recruitment team gave Javi or QSF a clue about him.