All I can assure you is that that isn’t the opinion around the club. It’s always been the thought around the club that the deal stinks.
I didn’t say that you had said that about Pukki. Maybe there was a grammar/agreement issue in my post. Pukki was a Celtic reserve (and would certainly have been a good signing considering he has been consistently excellent in this league over the last however many years). Giakoumakis is a Celtic reserve that you have repeatedly suggested. The point was that being a Celtic reserve doesn’t mean that the player can’t be good and shouldn’t really be used to discredit Bayo.
I’ve suggested the Greek guy twice (once this month because I’ve been watching Bayo lumber around the place.) Is twice akin to ‘repeatedly’? You can try and ‘gotcha’ all you want. Bayo is dreadful as a footballer. And when you add that to the absolute farce that is the deal he has been bought and sold under, then it’s pretty clear for all to see. I have zero more to add beyond this... If you want to place loads of value on my ‘Celtic reserve’ comment, feel free. But he wasn’t back up to either of the 2 players you point out. He was back up to Leigh Griffiths. And was close to joining St Mirren on loan. The fact he went to 2 more clubs after who aren’t at our level and scored some goals doesn’t really add a great deal to the argument for me. And no amount of Statsbomb statistics or pages from a book will tell me my eyes have been wrong when watching him. Charleroi paid a good price. What happened afterwards is nothing short of a scandal - and I’m not really interested in people tugging at their forelock’s trying to make sense of it in any kind of positive light.
I do think twice is repeated and I liked the suggestion for what it’s worth! Wasn’t intended as a Gotcha by any means. It’s interesting to see the divide here. Obviously Bayo is an awful fit, but I would not be surprised if he’s a success somewhere else, maybe over the next six months at Charleroi. And if he is a success at Charleroi it’s not because the Jupiler league is a low level - Benson and Zaroury are enjoying more output in the Championship than they did last season in Belgium. Ive been v consistent in my stance, however, that anything involving Bayat is bad news. We do not want this man with influence at our club. Just look at the Nantes manager’s comments today about being free of Bayat. So any Bayat transfer is inherently bad.
Ok. This is your opinion. And a perfectly valid one in itself. Not sure why it helps, but I see why you’re taking the drumsticks out of Jumbolina’s hands before his repetitions drive a hole in your head too.
For the sake of the forum, whoever replies to this may wish to make it a theoretical post. I get what Bayo, Bayat and Bayat brother and the selling club get out of overpricing a player. What I don’t understand is why any club owner would go along with it? I’m clearly being naive here, but how does spending £5m on a player from your club help you make money? You are wrecking your chances of success leading to more money and you will sell for less than you buy. I’m confused with this part.
Unless one of them used their ‘cash flow’ to help the club through a pandemic and then that club owner felt beholden to them? Allegedly - and please note I have used no names or stated anything as fact.
Greasing wheels on deals yet to be done or, probably more likely, compensation for deals past that needed settling.
There is no defending this at all, there isn’t a single reality in which he is worth £5m. Just look at the market. I’m not even talking career stats, just use your EYES. He can barely control a football well enough.
We've pressed flush but come the end of the season, he'll be back and we'll have to get the plunger out.
While there remain apologists like yourself for this disgraceful transfer then I’ll continue to repeat the obvious. I simply do not understand some of our fans desire to defend the owner irrespective of how he operates.
Only the very brightest posters can see how Gino deliberately losing money on a dud benefits him. It’s too complicated for mere mortals . Hence their frustrations. Over-reliance on one agent who “bigs-up” the ability and value of one of his players is far too obvious an explanation. Gino was clearly complicit in deliberately throwing money away to line his own pockets !
So theoretically, in this scenario, despite it being ‘dodgy’ at best, does it not mean the club would have received money at some point in time, which means the striker didn’t actually cost the amount stated?
Again, theoretically, wouldn’t this scenario mean the buying club have received favourable deals previously to be in this scenario? I’m not defending anything, just trying to get my head around scenarios beyond a football club doing a deal that turns out not to be very good.
You are right it could well just be incompetence which isn’t great. That is indeed the most likely scenario. I guess one thing we do know is the agent in question is accused of financial crime. Innocent until proven guilty but it’s hardly a starting point that wouldn’t raise a mild question mark that this bizarre transfer is just an agent taking advantage of a club’s poor judgement of a player.
A very dubious looking transaction I agree, especially with him going back to Charleroi . This sho upd really be explained to us. … but never will be. However the extent of Bayo’s uselessness has been exaggerated , I believe for that reason . He is a fox in the box . He’d probably get 15 goals if he started every game. Not what we needed , but we must have got what we could have expected from him. Assume Bilic doesn’t like him though.
Yes. He IS a Bayat player. You can try and remove that fact and the circumstances of his transfer from the discussion all you like, but they are the facts. Therefore it isn't a bad bit of scouting on a player who just hasn't worked out. It's a dodgy deal with a dodgy agent for a crap player, with no other obvious motive than to remove funds from WFC and place them with two dodgy brothers who do not have Watford's interests at heart. If you'll defend that, you really don't have any depths to which you won't sink in your mental gymnastics.
Yet @WatfordTalk continuously defends a transfer policy which throws square pegs at our squad's round holes, because he's CoG in Chief. Other teams do not sign players that aren't suited to their team. Nor do they change manager 3 times a season making there are always several players in the squad who don't fit a current system. Go and dig out the thread on him from 6 months ago. It's very much not hindsight.
No need for me to dig it out as I'm not saying it's only with the benefit of hindsight that posters are saying this. Plenty said it wasn't a great deal at the time. I'm just saying with the benefit of hindsight I don't think ANYONE could say it has been a success, that's all....
Yes my own guess is that Bayo was the final straw for Gino after Kalu last season. Louza and Dennis were good deals but there have been too many misses and cash is now precious.....that, plus the heat from the legal enquiries have pushed him in another direction.
The Louza loan to Nantes/Charleroi in the summer after we have rehabilitated him for the best part of 18 months will be a sight to behold “Protecting the asset’s value” the acolytes will cry!
Sorry? I've been critical of aspects of our transfer policy for some time. Don't you think it's a big Coggy to continue to give the owner money with a season ticket, and give the illusion of support in the stands by attending? You're letting the crybabies/BW army down big time, chap.
You are trying to separate the real life circumstances of the transfer from the transfer. It's a thinly veiled attempt to pretend that the reasons for the transfer are irrelevant. They aren't as the club is now £5m poorer, built a **** squad in the summer, sacked another manager and lied to the fans about building something new and different. Context is important here.
I've explained my personal reasons for continuing to give the club my ST money on here before. In case you’ve missed it, which is completley fair (i post a lot of stuff and most of it is fluff) I cancelled my ST, but did a u turn to honour my dead dad and to continue a tradition with my daughters that they associate closely with their grandfather. It's not because I enjoy my money going to Pozzo or hjs cronies. It's something which gives my girls comfort. It gives me ulcers.
Haha - see now it makes sense! Just to clarify, I'm not defending anything, just trying to actually work out how a scenario where a club owner spends more money on a player than he needs to works in his favour.
I fear I'm beginning to look thick, but I still don't get it. The following is theoretical Pay £3m more than you need to from the club you own, reducing the money in the club or the value of the club by £3m. In return you get a payment of say £1m. You are surely down £2m. I'm sure there is an angle, but I cannot see it. Again, not defending the signing. It was crap.
A lot of blame needs to go to Rob Edwards for personally requesting a player who just wasn’t good enough Hopefully we learn our lesson and head coaches stick to managing the team, allowing Pozzo to go back to finding gems from his world famous scouting network
Incredible that Edwards was allowed to spend £5m of our budget on a player based on his personal obsession with Juipler League strikers Fair play Duxbury and Pozzo for backing him through hell and high water on the deal but it just didn’t work out. At least now we have Ben Manga to unearth moneyball style hidden gem prospects like Britt Assombalonga and Wesley Hoedt
