No we're meant to be leaving the EU because that's what the majority of the public voted for. Their reasons for doing so were many and varied, some justified, some not. Whether we are tied to any regulations at all going forward will be a matter for our democratically elected government to decide and negotiate.
We will be signing a much bigger trade deal with the US post Brexit, and there will be strings attached. All the leading Brexiteers have pointed towards this incredible opportunity that we can do trade deals with whoever we want post Brexit. What they forget to mention is that there are big compromises that we will have to make to secure these deals. Where the trading partner is bigger than us we will be the one making the bigger compromises
Really. I think people will only really understand what they have voted for when we leave the EU. Most voted due to immigration. They will find out that when we leave the EU that it will make very little difference to immigration; but if they can’t work that out for themselves, then more fool them. Most of the politicians should be in jail for the lies that they have told. It makes me laugh when people bang on about a democracy as though it is a higher, wonderful thing.
Sorry had to correct you somewhat. We're not going to be pressganged into anything. It's up to us to vote in a government that represents our wishes on how he country is to be run.
Left winger persuades himself that he would be better off in bed with America First Trump because his brain has painted itself into a corner.
And if a great trade deal cannot be achieved without compromising all of the standards and rights you hold dear, and we walk away from deals with US, China, India, you will concede that Brexit was a mistake? (or will you do some mental gymnastics and claim that you knew would be worse off for ever?)
Any difference to immigration will be decided upon by the government. It's not brexit that makes the changes, brexit gives us the ability to make the changes - should we so wish. Personally I hope that Brexit allows us to relax non-eu immigration requirements so it's easier for non-eu citizens who are qualified in skills that we need to come here. I'd like an immigration policy not biased based on country of origin but we've discussed that elsewhere ad nauseum.
Yes if we can't replace the trading status we had with Europe and gain extra deals with other countrys otherwise not afforded to us, then in the longer term if we are in a worse position that we could have been within Europe then I will concede it was a mistake. Dont; get me wrong, if handled badly brexit will be bad. If handled well brexit has the possibility to be advantageous. It;s all about the long game though, it'll be a decade at least before we can start to quatify it.
The fact that 35 odd percent were either not arsed enough to vote or considered themselves inadequately informed shows how ridiculous the whole premise of a referendum with a 50% 'winning' post was.
I wonder what the public would want to do now 3 years on with the complexities and lies exposed ? No wait, it would be undemocratic to ask them.
If you don't vote you can't have a say. If you don't think you know enough, learn. The rules were agreed before the referendum, it was promised the result would be honoured. Not much was moaned about until the result went the way some people didn't like. Agreed it was badly set-up, badly organised and badly campaigned, but it is what it is.
That’s silly Meister. I moaned quite a lot, I always do. There is no reason why I can’t dispute whether it ‘is what is is’.
Just analyse the EU election results over 58% of those who voted, voted for parties supporting brexit in varying forms from soft to hard. It's not undemocratic to ask again, we've just done it pretty much. But what would you suggest we do if the result is the same, or slightly tipped back towards remain? Round 3? Round 4? Besides what the feck has any of this got to do with banning Trump? Highlight an issue and instead of people discussing the issue you get "because brexit is wrong innit."
We know Absolutely. That is your right but what is the purpose of rerunning it. Is it purely because you think that it was technically bady run or is it purely because you hope the result will change to the way you support?
Agreed. Would be nice to know what they support. In all seriousness their official position was brexit with a customs union.
It's pretty clear that most Labour MPs want a second ref and to campaign solidly to remain. I hope you are not going to use manifestos like people did in 2017 to argue 85% voted or parties that wanted to 'honour' the referendum. That has been blown to smithereens. If Remain wins a second referendum by half a percent we can continue arguing til kingdom come (as we are now) BUT the because we won't have to DO anything, government will be able to get back on with the business of governing, we won't be poorer, the pound will bounce, investment will return, half the population will be deeply unhappy (for a bit) but not poorer. After 5 years another 3.5 million leavers will be dead (along with 750,000 remainers) and 3 million young remainers (and 750,000 young leavers (choke)) will have skewed the electorate hugely in favour of remain. There won't be so many baby boomers intent on re-fighting WW2 out of guilt on behalf of dead parents who would have told them that they would give anything for their children not to have to go through the same thing.
Which some would say isn’t Brexit at all. To extrapolate from the EU election results, especially with a 37% turnout, to say “we’ve just asked the referendum question again” is a real stretch.
The Boris case is a test case, if he goes down expect more to follow. If you dont think there was some kind of design into how badly it was all set up then you are blind.
What else can we vote for other than what peopel publically declare they stand for? Not going there again. if bexit is proportional to age, aging population etc etc etc. See multiple threads elsewhere. And unless there's an enormous landslide for remain if polled again(all recent polls suggest there isn't), the issue is not put to bed. Uncertainty is extended. Are you sure Are you sure you're sure Are you sure you're sure you're sure Are you sure you're sure you're sure you're sure at some point you need to make a decision and stick by it.
It's still brexit but not what I would consider a sensible one as it precludes most of the advantages of leaving. Agreed but it's all we have along with recent polling and it's an adequate guide in answer the question that was posed above.
And I hope he gets locked up if he's broken the rules. Campaigning on the whole issue was a **** show from the off, on both sides. The British public deserved better.
I would have more respect for those Parties that are pro-remain if they dropped calls for a ‘people’s vote’ (we’ve had one) and simply announced that in the event of an election, their manifesto pledge would be to immediately scrap the whole Brexit process.
It IS put to bed because we revert to the status quo. We don't have to physically do anything disastrous. If a new parliament is elected which can get support for a third referendum, go for it.
Interesting story of how Trump gatecrashed a church in Virginia over the weekend so it could pray...for him. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/03/pastor-trump-prayer-1352311
How the hell is it that there are so many people stupid/craven enough to look up to this utter ****? Is it because he sounds as stupid as they are? Is there some kind of thickie love-in? I despair.
I think a lot, like the pastor in this case, look up to his office and respect that and what it represents rather than the man himself. That's not a stupid position to take. Trump has proven the religious lot are a rich seam to tap into as a politician. I doubt he's even a true believer in their religion, let alone someone who goes along with the evangelical view of the world. I bet he laughs about them in private. And I expect the more switched on ones sort of know that too but they've accepted him because he's committed to achieving the things they want. Pro-life laws, conservative judges and the like. He does that because his base certainly do believe in that full-on (aka hypocritical) version of Christianity and so it translates directly into votes and political funding. It's just a transaction for him. Another deal.
