Ched Evans - Case goes to appeal

Of course it does. Which is why McDonald was found not guilty. She went there to have sex with him. On the face of it, Evans acted opportunistically and arrived at the hotel a while after they got back and committed the crime.

A woman's promiscuity has nothing to do with the situation. Women who have had multiple sexual partners can be victims of sexual assault and rape. They can say no to men who wish to have sex with them.

To suggest that she's a 'bike' as evidence that she allowed a man she hadn't seemingly met that evening to have sex with her is quite sickening and suggests that any real evidence proving his innocence was thin on the ground.

 

A woman's promiscuity has nothing to do with me calling her a slag! ... Are you for real?

 

I'm referring to the accusation of rape. Not your social media based opinion of her.

 

What I said had nothing to do with Evans or rape

 

Then I'm at a completely loss as to why you said what you did.

 

I was just questioning J.B's inexplicable desire to see Evans' sentence extended when most on here appear to think he was hard done by.

 

I want him to suffer because he has been found guilty of raping her.

Is that really so hard for you to understand?

Wonderful. We can add homophobe to the list.

 

He has and he was, what do you suggest hanging and quartering?

So sorry about insulting your manliness darling, I forgot about your painful memories. And btw what's a freak, is it something nice?

 

If he was hard done by it would be because he didn't rape her, not because he raped her, but she was a slag.

 

That's for the appeal to decide. But forget not the complaint wasn't hers but the officer she reported her missing phone to. Obviously the police then decided it was rape but quite how much she felt a victim is open to debate IMO.

Of course here's no disputing Evans acted a complete arsehole but that in itself is not an offence. he took advantage but then so did McDonald.

 

How is implying that I am a homosexual insulting my manliness?

As I say, a warped view, but not just of women, but the world in general it seems.

 

Warped view, me really? ... It's not me that putting a whole gender on some kind of pedestal as you are, there are nice girls and there are some not so nice girls but if your ideal woman is the type to get plastered and go back to some strangers hotel for [implied] sex then please don't let me stop you.

 

At no point have I put an entire gender on a pedestal. You can always tell someone's argument is weak when they resort to strawman arguments or just flat-out making things up, both of which you have form for on here.

I don't think even you know what you're attempting to argue at this stage, so God help the rest of us.

Please explain to me what relevance the victim deciding to go back to a hotel to have consensual sex with Clayton McDonald has to the victim being raped by Ched Evans.

 

What kind of man takes a strange girl to a hotel to have sex with her.

 

You are defending the virtue of an obvious slag for no other reason than she's a female ... as pedastal as it gets IMO

Did I say there was relevance? ... Nope that was GD and now you.

BTW It hasn't been contested that she verbally consented to Evans but the CPS and the jury obviously decided that it couldn't count. Technically rape maybe but if you can't see the difference?

 

Sigh. There's your relevance Godfather. Unless you are now saying that your comments were completely unrelated and if so, that's some hornetboy1 style deflection right there.

 

No relevance whatsoever, I called her a slag for going with McDonald to his hotel for sex having only just met him, not for the depravity that later ensued.

 

Ok, so her sexual promiscuity has nothing to do with her being raped right?

Glad we reached that conclusion.

 

right

 

Where did you call McDonald a slag, or a bike? I can't quite find it.

 

BTW It takes all sorts to make a world. I have absolutely nothing against slags, I've known a few over the years and in truth they tend to be rather fun.

Not that I'd marry one but that's just me, everyone else can marry who they like.

 

Your wife did.

 

Why? did Evans rape him too?

 

Undoubtedly but I have changed .... honest

 

He has won his appeal, but there is going to be a retrial.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ape-conviction-appeal-but-must-face-a-retrial

 

I'm betting 5 minutes before someone asks 'worth a punt'?

 

A not awfully illuminating statement from the Court of Appeal leaving us guessing for now as to the successful ground(s) of appeal. I'm sure all will become clear at the retrial or when the CPS bin the case.

 

They should have saved all that money and asked me. I said it seemed to be an unsafe conviction ages ago.:naughty:

Based on what we were told, one dubious word against another, was always going to be fraught with danger, it is the unfortunate circumstances in this type of rape allegation and made even harder by the changes in the law with respect to drunkeness, etc.

 

The trouble with that view zztop is that based on everything in the public domain, and the law as it stands, it wasn't an unsafe conviction. A Crown Court judge thought it was safe to try him, a jury convicted him and the Court of Appeal rejected his appeal against conviction a couple of years ago. All based on the evidence presented at trial and including the McDonald acquittal comparison that people got so hung up on. Certainly 'based on what we were told' you may have been uncomfortable with the conviction but it was lawful.

Since that time something new that none of us know about has come to light. Ched Evans hasn't said want it is, the CCRC haven't said what it is and the Court of Appeal have now withheld it too so as to give him every chance of a fair re-trial. It's certainly not going to be something any of us knew about when debating this case earlier in the thread.

 

Common sense starting to prevail maybe? .... we shall see

 

As soon as I posted it, I thought you would pick up on the word "unsafe".

When I used the expression "unsafe" I wasn't meaning the lawful term used to release other tried defendants, I just meant that where the main evidence is someone's word against another, where they both have reasons to lie, there has to be an element of doubt, where the wrong result results in an innocent man a rapist for the rest of his life, then yes, I am uncomfortable. I am speaking from experience of dealing with such cases from the prosecution side of the fence.

 

Presumably the CPS will be well aware of the `new evidence` and will act accordingly

 

On that there's no presuming ... However dropping the case altogether is a big option too, it depends on what the "new" evidence is.

 

I suspect that the new evidence, whilst enough to quash the existing conviction, is probably not enough to swing it the other way. I repeat, when the evidence surrounding the actual offence is so flimsy any result is likely to be somewhat uncomfortable.

The Appeal Court are so uncertain that they are giving the responsibility to another court.

 

They have quashed his conviction, seems pretty certain to me.

I have the feeling the new evidence will be damning, probably from deleted messaging. Maybe she remembers a heluva lot more than she let on.