That Train Crash

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by UEA_Hornet, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I just read this on the BBC Website:

    Am I the only one to see the spectacular hypocracy in that statement? I mean, why don't we have one company doing it all? In fact why aren't they publically owned? Oh...I remember now. A certain political party privatised it all in such a shoddy way no one knew who was doing what and where. So entrenched was their crappy policy it's been almost impossible to reverse.

    Don't be fooled when it comes to election time in a couple of years - these Tories will say anything to get into power, even if it means turning their back on years of their own policies :rant:
     
  2. fan

    fan slow toaster

    think of the miners
     
  3. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Although the rail-system has improved in recent years it is still a joke, for example because of the private companies (looking out for number one) I can't get a direct train from b’ham to berkhamsted. Also the companies are too quick to pass the buck onto someone else when there is a delay – as I’m sure we’ve all experienced at some time.

    That statement really is total hypocrisy though, I don’t want to get into a political debate, but the Torries would not re-nationalise the network, but imo that is what needs to be done. Don’t the government own the track through network rail? Surely if they also owned the companies money could be used to pay for track upgrades etc?!?
     
  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Of course they won't re-nationalise it, seen as they privatised it in the first place! In fact nationalisation goes entirely against their whole ethos. Unfortunately the cost of nationalisation is so massively prohibitive that the current government could never justify it - all because the priviatisation was done in such a shoddy haphazard way. The railways have got a lot better over the past couple of years but as you say, money rules the day.
     
  5. fan

    fan slow toaster

    a direct consequence of nationalisation wold be either higher prices or higher taxes, which i'm assuming the majority of people would be against. also the implicit conclusion that the government would be more alturistic in their scheduling or more efficient in their service is probably wrong. every four years you'd get a few months of great service, but as soon as the elections are over it would go back to being a massive problem.
     
  6. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Yeah I agree about the expense – and I’m sure few governments would like to be directly liable for any accidents that could occur! Though I’d assume they’d be insured, or could people sue the government directly?

    The fact that even schools and the NHS are being privatised albeit slowly shows that at the current time, the countries remaining aspects of the Welfare State aren’t really sustainable, but as Fan few would be accepting of higher taxes but cuts only get you so far.
     
  7. fan

    fan slow toaster

    i disagree that the welfare state doesn't work. the E.U as a whole is generally quite socialist in the sense that welfare costs take up a large amount of its budgets. despite that though, they have about the same gdp as the US, with lower incidences of poverty and inequality, whilst also maintaining lower levels of government debt. It seems to be that various right wing think tanks and business groups put it across that the welfare state doesn't work e.t.c while the demise of the left offers little resistance but the welfare state is sustainable in both theory and, as countries like sweden demonstrate, in practice too. Aside from that, i would argue that welfare shouldnt be treated as optional provided it can be be paid for in the current climate. It should be seen as something to be protected always no matter that economic/political climate.
     
  8. Big Dave Airey

    Big Dave Airey Reservist

    I'm slightly confused.

    Can you not get a Silverlink from New Street to Berko??
     
  9. cazgoodwin66

    cazgoodwin66 Forum Tall Person

    No you have to switch at Northampton
     
  10. Prentice

    Prentice Administrator

    No, Silverlink don't own the stretch between New Street and Northampton, Central Trains do.

    They're just both incorporated into the same timetable to save confusion.

    Although Silverlink are bidding to take over Central Trains Birmingham-Northampton line plus potentially others as Central Trains are dispersing.
     
  11. cazgoodwin66

    cazgoodwin66 Forum Tall Person

    Silverlink and central are both owned by national express , and are both run by higher mangers.

    Silverlink have been turned down to bid for the franchise which runs out in november.

    my dad works for silverlink
     
  12. Prentice

    Prentice Administrator

    Yeah that sounds about right, I just remember overhearing a driver going back to Euston on the way home from Milton Keynes once. Didn't know it got rejected though.
     
  13. cazgoodwin66

    cazgoodwin66 Forum Tall Person

    Yeah they dident even get put on the shortlist to bid , all to do with politics , long story but silverlink wont exist come november. And who ever wins the franchise will run central trains as well.
     
  14. Prentice

    Prentice Administrator

    Don't suppose you know if Tring will still be used as a base for London Commuters? Quite liked the three trains an hour thing...
     
  15. cazgoodwin66

    cazgoodwin66 Forum Tall Person

    nouthing will change while silverlink are running the trains , i imagine they will still use it . Even if drivers and conductors hate using it
     
  16. Prentice

    Prentice Administrator

    Everyone hates it :dismay: Personally I like it, bar the lack of Alcohol.
     

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