At the end of the day, @WatfordTalk proved how vital Kayembe was this season. Him in the squad, our PPG was much higher than him not being in it. Clearly Gino is on this forum, saw that post, and realized he could get £12mil for him.
I hate to be a pedant but that’s not technically accurate, the discussion wouldn’t be directly between the two owners, but instead via super agent Mogi Bayat.
I'm told the post will be our first and only piece of evidence to support the fee when liaising with our friends at the Italian Legitimate Transfer Fees Federation
Bargain for Udinese. 24 year old with experience of Belgian and English top flights and a good left foot. We'll not mention his right foot. I wonder if Udinese want these star players: Kalu and Okoye.
How much? Kayembe is hopeless. Never good enough for the Championship. Players from his team in Belgium couldn't believe he was sold to Watford when he couldn't even get a game for them £12m it has to be a dodgy deal.
I'm just wondering how much of the now £38 million from the Kamara and Kayembe sales the club actually gets to see or has it all been used to pay off the loans from the holding companies?
The pension age is lower in Italy so that would suit Kalu. Okoye would probably drop the pen when going to sign a new contract. Bayo £5m Manaj £3m Okoye £5m Kalu £2m Kayembe £4m We need to recoup as much as we can these deadbeat.
How do you come up with this stuff? Yes Kayembe is pretty crap but he started all 17 games for which he was available for Eupen in the half season in 21/22 before he joined and was their top rated player on Whoscored.
Couldn't get a game for them? He started 17 out the 21 games Eupen played in the 21/22 season before joining us...
Any source for the Manaj fee? You've had a few months to find it now... Maybe you could ask some of your new friends in the KAS Eupen dressing room?
£28mil. Possibly, though there could surely also be other less bizarre looking routes in which they could transfer the money around the Pozzo empire to do that?
Obviously wrapped in cotton wool to ensure any injury did not jeopardise this deal that had already been agreed way back....
Not sure what the EFL can do with the rules being as they are at present. They can hardly insist their valuation is more valid than one carried out by the Italian FA who have as much of an interest in the issue. To what extent can it be stated that WFC & Udinese are legally linked if any such a degree of 'linkage' then immediately impinges upon the club networks already set up by various rich clubs? If the EFL decide that every transfer fee needs to be evaluated by them to enable them to declare how much of it can be used to comply with FFP, then they will have to evaluate every fee or else leave themselves open to interminable legal challenges. No doubt they'll have to try to plug the loophole, but this one may be more difficult than those such as loan players and ground sales.
Maybe they are creating a new prosthetic right leg for him with the money so they can get what Buyout promised.
Is this a serious thread? I assumed that it was a piss take, but not sure now! If there is any truth to it, you have got to admire the Pozzos’ audacity and, let’s face it, there is not much to admire about the Pozzos in recent times. If it is true and it does not breach current rules, it will likely lead to calls for the rules to be updated.
I find the outrage on these deals from other club's fans fascinating. It's no different to Billionaire owners injecting cash, or getting one of their other companies to sponsor their team. It's bizarre that using this model seems to spark more outrage than the other creative accounting tricks.
It helps us get round FFP and gives us an unfair spending advantage, let’s not kid ourselves that if it was another club in the championship doing it we’d not be as much up in arms about it as these other fans are.
What interest would the Italian FA have in one of their clubs grossly overspending on a player and making it harder to comply with any FFP rules? Our latest accounts also state that Watford and Udinese are clubs under common control, so I don’t think they’d have to dig to hard to find evidence that ‘legally’ we’re linked. It’s a matter of public record.
Well, on this issue, I am with you, in that I am not outraged at all and you are completely right, the breaches of rules, unethical practices and, frankly, cheating by the mega clubs, massively dwarfs our owner's creative (and legal, it seems) ways to avoid financial difficulties. I hope this is true and not a piss take. It will result in Neil Warnock being upset though.
How is it unfair though? Man City have a billionaire owner that injects billions into the club, is that unfair, or is it just capitalism...?
Yep, fans of other clubs were pi55ed off when the Pozzos took over and thought it was somehow unfair we kept getting all these players from their other clubs on loan. At the time our fans were pleased and brushed off the criticism as sour grapes. Many other clubs have also since copied the Pozzo model. What I find even more odd is that now some on here seem to be annoyed by the Pozzos engaging in practices such as this, rather than either being pleased, or at least accepting, that they're just showing some ingenuity. Our fans should surely be pleased at the owners doing things which should theoretically give the club an extra advantage. It's hardly as if what they're doing is particularly morally reprehensible.
That’s just classic whataboutery, the sort of stuff you’d get from a Newcastle or City fan themselves. Have you read the Premier League thread at all? Literally one of the most recent posts is from me venting about Man City cheating, that’s not ok either, I’m not ok with it and lots of people aren’t ok with it either, are you ok with it? It’s probably why City have been charged with over 100 breaches of FFP by the Premier League themselves, whether the charges stick or not is another question, but the Premier League isn’t happy with it either, so who precisely is happy with it, other than fans of the clubs in question? But if you’re a fan of a championship club like Millwall or Preston, are you going to be as concerned about what Man City or doing, or are you going to be more concerned by what the clubs you are directly competing with are doing, and whose actions directly affect the day to day fortunes of your club? Are you going to be as concerned about a club governed by completely different rules (the Premier League rules) or are you going to be concerned more by clubs governed by the EFL rules, the same rules you have to abide by? The same rules that have seen points deductions for Derby and Reading, the same rules that have seen the loophole about selling your stadium to circumvent FFP closed? As I say, it’s ridiculous to say we wouldn’t as fans be up in arms about another club in direct competition doing something that gave them a perceived unfair financial advantage.
But the person you’re replying to is specifically talking about outrage from other clubs fans, would you expect other clubs fans to be pleased about our ‘ingenuity’?
No, but I think it's fair to then point out that it's odd for our own fans to be (especially when it's hardly particularly morally reprehensible).
I think many do find how the Pozzos act not ethical and sometimes embarrassing though tbh . Football fans are fickle through . Most do not care if something benefits their team but anyone else and it’s that isn’t right or acceptable.
I think that’s just you not reading the room very well, I get your point about the loans, none of us cared about that at the start, the same as none of us cared when we sacked a manger unceremoniously at the end of the season. But several years later after many, many grubby little actions from the club the worm has turned and a lot of people take now view this type of thing as rather shady and grubby. Especially when it has been done so obviously, so will bring with it obvious scrutiny and the likely closure of the loophole. If we’d been a lot less obvious about it then it may have helped us in the long run. But I wouldn't expect you to understand any of that because you’re still flying the flag for the current owner.
I don't like it either, but unlike Man City we've not actually broken any rules by doing this. I used to work for a club where the owner's wife's business was the main sponsor for a large time period, it's essentially the same thing. Personally I don't see any issues with what we're doing, we're a small club (financially) who have figured out a way to gain a competitive advantage, it's the same as when people were up in arms about all the loan players, even though we'd broken no rules. As I said, in my view it's no different to Bournemouth being owner by a Russian Billionaire when they got promoted, but other championship clubs seemed a lot less bothered about the fact they were paying Matt Ritchie £70k a week in the championship, funded by their owner, than Udinese giving us some players/transfer fees...
