its not st. georges day today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George's_Day or is that too politically correct of me?
Please tell me you don't wait until the Georgian's feast day to drink Spitfire and Bombardier... "Follow your spirit, and upon this charge Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'"
Why ? There's nothing wrong with celebrating who and what you are. Shouldn't we be proud of our nation and our heritage ?
In what possible way is St George's day related to 'our nation and our heritage'? Its an indictment of the failure of British society, and multiculturalism, that we have to cling to a completely meaningless day to try and find some kind of identity for ourselves. What could you possibly celebrate on St George's day? That some Turkish-Christian martyr died, and that he had some idiotic story about a dragon made up for him by some crusaders? Its got bugger all to do with our nation or our heritage. I would much prefer it be replaced with a day where we celebrate actual heroes, past and present. Maybe if we celebrated as a nation those who have, and continue to, sacrifice themselves in service of their country - not just militarily - then we could find unity through something more fitting than a vague, semi-mythical figure of no relevance to us at all? I was reading just the other day about a survey where the vast majority of British black kids and teenagers (3000+ surveyed) who have taken the nationality of their parents over their own country. Multiculturalism has accentuated the differences between ethnicities to the extent that this is common for many ethnic minorities to rationally choose for themselves a different culture, because ours is so lacking in any unifying substance. How can we have a national identity when a proportion of the British population have decided that they would rather not be British? St George's day is an idiotic day, which represents nothing and is clung to simply because any vestiges of alternative national identity have been diluted and removed. All in my humble opinion of course.
How is St George related to who and what any of us are? Why should we be proud of our nation and our heritage? It's my observation that people who are proud of their nation often have very little to be proud of personally. People should focus on being accountable for their own actions, rather than trying to be proud of being English. What's so good about being English anyway?
i used to agree with you but having been in the US for independence day, canada for canada day and a **** hole for bastille day over the last few years i do somewhat enjoy the homogeneous magic of it all. but then again i'm a blackshirt
i would be shocked, astounded if you will, if you could actually provide said report detailing how it is exactly the majority of this group have managed to renounce the citizenship of their birth country and apply for that of their parents. please, please, please provide a link
I didn't think i had said that we should celebrate St George, i thought i had said that we should be proud of our nation and our heritage. St George just happens to be the deemed figure assosiated with being English and England, for example the St Georges Flag that is our national flag. I actually applaud the "vast majority", suggesting that it is way beyond 50% of the 3000+ teenagers, who have selected the nationality of their parents. Its nice to see that they are following their parents culture and heritage, they have every right to be proud. I hate the thought that as a multination and multiculture country that we should have no identity. Isn't that what Hitler and the Nazi's fought for in the second world war and the hero's that you want to reconise fought against ? I don't care if we call it England day, Will and Kate day or Katie Price day, we should have the right to celebrtate our Nationality, it just so happens that ours falls on the 23rd April and is classified as St Georges day. You only have to look at the celebrations in Australia, the USA, Canada and France, all who are multicultrual and multifaith, all of which have a proportion of their population who don't wish to be reconised as a member of their current nation, but they all reconise and celebrate their national day with pride. Why shouldn't we ?
How i see the whole St George/St George's day thing.. Anyone who knows a bit of history or, as in my case, taken the time to do a bit research will know that St George isnt all he's cracked up to be. For starters he hasnt been very loyal to us. He is patron saint of stacks of places, as far flung as Albania, Canada and Syria.. to mention just a few. And its not just regions that have his patronage.. he also supports the Scout movement, saddlers, sufferers of syphilis (its true.. look it up) and much more. Most of us will also know that he wasnt English and had little, or no, connection to us... oh and did you know St George is also considered a martyr in the muslim faith. But... while acknowledging this we should also remember that St Patrick wasnt Irish and St Andrew never set foot in Scotland. It would seem the world of patronage is a tenuous one. On the subject of St George's day id have to say that in recent years ive viewed it with some dread. Not because i dont support celebrating what we are.. but because the whole thing has become a political/racial/identity issue. It seems to have been wrapped up in a certain amount of paranoia.. the common line these days seems to be 'i will celebrate St George's day because people tell me i cant' Ok.. we have had a few instances of the 'loony left' suggesting we have to keep our patriotism low key to appease those that dont share our culture. But is this common place? Not that ive seen. For instance there are more St Georges crosses being flown these days than ever before.. Despite the fact that people suggest there is a politically correct movement stopping people from doing so. Isnt it time we just got on with celebrating who we are.. without the collective paranoia?
If we're all about celebrating who we are, I'll save my special day for June 25th - Gay Pride day. Who's with me? Or will the politically correct mob bully you into pretending you're all straight for another year.
It was in a dissertation, not on the internet! They haven't officially renounced their citizenship! That would be insane. It was their perception of their citizenship, not their official citizenship. i.e, they consider themselves to be Jamaican instead of British, rather than actually being Jamaican. Or wherever.
but you said they took the nationality of their parents over their country of birth? it almost seems as though you completely misrepresented a probably made up survey... because otherwise it just seems you're saying second generation ghanians still feel a strong affiliation with ghana. SHOCK ****ING HORROR
No, it seems you purposefully misread something I said to try and look clever. Shock horror. My point was, if British born people do not consider themselves British, then it makes it more difficult to create national unity, which is the issue behind the 'I'm celebrating St George's day because those PC b@stards don't let me' syndrome.
I reckon Admin is saving himself for the Big One - something spectacularly awful for whatever is happening on Friday. Red, white and blue confetti will probably be the least of it.
yeah. there's certainly no incongruity there. its my mistake for intentionally taking you at your original word. how insincere of me
I think just a few random avatars floating across the screen of the happy couple , or a Royal wave appearing on top of the header should keep everyone glued to the forum. Also I'll take a few snaps of Moog and me enjoying our hamper in the park and post them throught the day.
It is, we have exclusivity, that's the very dress. Header thought up and designed by Hornmeister. I'm still working on a background but it's a little late!
Wonderful , although the avator looks like she is sad about her big day, or has she pissed off the Queen already and is being led to the Tower.
